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Was the president wired during both debates?

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:22 am
That really looks like a *thing* to me. You can see lines at the top and the bottom, and the top edge is biologically all wrong for where a shoulder blade should be.

But who knows?
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:26 am
If that was a shoulder blade than he must be a chicken
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:33 am
I'll grant you that he's a chicken. I just don't see it, though. I think it was really obvious in the first debate photo. Obviously rectangular with a wire going over his shoulder. Not so obvious in the second, though I can see something there. I just can't tell in the t-shirt picture.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 10:10 am
Bush's back isfront & center
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Bush's back isfront & center
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004

Tonight's presidential debate is supposed to focus on domestic issues, but the first question will concern neither taxes nor health care nor stem cells.
This question will be asked not by the moderator but by viewers at home straining to answer for themselves whether President Bush once again has a mysterious bulge under the back of his suit coat.

Already, there is the question of what exactly caused the bulges at the first and second debates. The Bush people insist the whole matter is just a bit of Internet lunacy. They scoff at the suggestion Bush was wearing an electronic prompter, which you would expect to be much smaller than the apparent bulges suggest. They also deny Bush had on body armor.

The candidates were positioned behind lecterns in the first debate.

Section 9, subsection (a), sub-subsections (iv) and (vi) of the debate rules clearly state that "TV cameras will be locked into place" and "the camera located at the rear of the stage shall be used only to take shots of the moderator."

But the good people at Fox filmed a rear view of the man who is clearly their candidate. They could not have anticipated that a purportedly undoctored freeze frame would flash around what our President would call the Internets showing what became known as "Bush's mystery bulge."

In the second debate, the candidates moved about the stage and Bush's back more than once came into view. A freeze frame again appeared to show a bulge, all the more mysterious for seeming a different shape and dimension than the first.

At the third debate tonight, the candidates again will be at lecterns and we may not get even a glimpse of Bush's back. Those who will be looking prominently include Edward Hayes, a New York lawyer and man about town who terms himself, with considerable justification, "the world's leading expert on suits."

Before he became the best-dressed lawyer in all New York, Hayes was the best-dressed homicide prosecutor in all the Bronx. He has studied the freeze frames from the first two debates with an eye both forensic and sartorial.

"As a man whose first experience with lumps in suits was in homicide in the Bronx and then went on to Saville Row, I'm telling you that is not a tailor's mistake," Hayes said. "Unless somebody doctored the photos, he's got something under there."

Hayes' expertise regarding lumps under suits includes the kind sought out by the seemingly friendly hands of his more nefarious clients when they greet somebody they fear might be wearing a wire.

He indicated how he himself might respond if somebody arrived for a meeting with such a lump.

"I tell you what: If I pat him on the back and feel something like that, I'm on the elevator before he is," Hayes said.

Hayes also has taken note of the fashion challenges posed by body armor.

"A bulletproof vest, you'd see under his armpits," Hayes suggested.

Only the most paranoid of us could believe Bush wore an electronic device to the debates, but if he did, it would be a receiver, not a transmitter. His demeanor in the first debate was not entirely unlike somebody who had a voice muttering in his ear.

Hayes joked that perhaps this also could explain why Bush did so much better in the second debate. "The second time he had a guy from a town with more than a cow and six people in it," Hayes said.

Lump or no, Hayes is not impressed by Bush's attire. The fit is too tight. The material is sometimes, well, a little shiny - the tailor's answer to Freedom Fries.

"A Texas suit," Hayes said.

Kerry wears darker colors and slightly heavier materials with a much better fit - a suit to impress foreign leaders at a summit. "Upper-class, custom-made, probably right down to his shoes," Hayes said.

Hayes knows as well as anybody that neither clothes nor even a lump means much compared with the momentous issues now facing us.

And the domestic matters to be discussed tonight are secondary to the question of the war in which our finest people are being killed and maimed day after day after day.

But there is nothing like a little mystery to provide a momentary distraction in dire times.

"There will be a cast of thousands looking for a bulge," Hayes said.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 10:13 am
BBB
Type of equipment used to wire Bush?

http://www.comtek.com/IFBCueing/ifbcueing.html
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 10:19 am
Didn't Kerry pat him on the back when he greeted him on stage in Missouri? Somebody got a clip of their greeting??? Question feeling for himself, I thought... Laughing

I know I'll be one of many viewers watching for signs of something suspicious under his jacket. I assumed it was some sort of body armor and that the secret service wanted it not known for security reasons... Idea
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:25 am
If he is wired hopefully some one will turn up the juice. :wink:
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:28 am
update
Wash Bush wired? update

http://isbushwired.com/2004/10/emperors-new-suit.html
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:49 am
Even Republicans think Bush was wired
Amazing, even Republicans think Bush was wire for debates.

http://cgi.doonesbury.com/cgi-bin/view_poll.cgi
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 02:35 pm
Okay, I've ordered you each a hat. Laughing I can't believe you folks think they would hang their covert cheating device high up, on the middle of his back. Laughing And, if they had; why wouldn't they have whispered in his ear "stand up straight, dumbass... Your covert receiver is showing"? Laughing
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 02:41 pm
Yes you wouldn't believe they would be so obvious. However, we are talking about Bush and you know he doesn't plan very well Embarrassed
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 07:43 pm
I'm having a real problem with this. It's easy for me to believe that Bush was wired and answers fed to him by people with slightly higher I.Q.s than his. It would explain the indecision, the stammering, and the otherwise baffling "Let me finish." But it is hard to explain why his handlers would have been so inept as to use a receiver that's so obviously visible. These people have cutting edge technology available. And, whaetever else they are, they are not inept in the dirty tricks department. It's puzzling, as is the denial that he was wearing anything at all. It would have ben so easy to just say, "Oh, that's part of the security rig he always wears," or "It's part of the throat-mike setup" or anything except that obvious lie that he's wearing nothing.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 08:48 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Okay, I've ordered you each a hat. Laughing I can't believe you folks think they would hang their covert cheating device high up, on the middle of his back. Laughing And, if they had; why wouldn't they have whispered in his ear "stand up straight, dumbass... Your covert receiver is showing"? Laughing


LOL!!!

Every time I find myself feeling kind of sorry for Kerry (when he loses, you know), I read this "conspiracy" nonsense and that feeling just evaporates.

It's Kerry, by the way, who needed the wire...someone whispering in his ear "it's not the deficit you dummy...it's the national debt!"

From the 10/08 debate:

Kerry: Now with respect to the deficit, the president was handed a $5.6 trillion surplus, ladies and gentlemen. That's where he was when he came into office. We now have a $2.6 trillion deficit. This is the biggest turnaround in the history of the country.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 08:54 pm
What are you talking about JW? It is the deficit
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:02 pm
JW- That means Bush has gone through 8.2 trillion dollars, eating up the surplus + an additional 2.6. Are you disputing the figures or were you not thinking of the 2.6 as a negative?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:16 pm
The deficit was $521 billion this year. Kerry was obviously referring to the national debt. He obviously doesn't know the difference.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:24 pm
If those are deficit numbers they're fictional predictions, without a reference point in the future anyway. There isn't that much money in the whole budget. The crash of the market and the events of 9-11 were going to alter the deficit projections regardless.

I suspect Kerry was referring to the ongoing debt... again with optimistic projections, without a reference point, to pay off the $5.6 trillion we're already in debt. He should be ashamed of himself as a Senator to refer to a plan to pay off that obscene debt as a surplus. Rolling Eyes But, since it now looks like we're adding $2.6 trillion to it, that will make a total of $8.2 trillion. Crying or Very sad

Squinney, that doesn't mean Bush spent that dough...
Do you realize how much money that is? That would be most of our nation's GNP! Shocked When our economy takes a dive, so does our government's income. If Bush's tax cuts succeed in growing the economy, that will increase our government's income. He's aiming for a smaller percentage of a larger pie. That's what he's hoping for. Some say it worked when Reagan did it... and he wasn't the first, either. Idea
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Adrian
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:24 pm
The national debt of the USA is over 7 trillion dollars.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:28 pm
There you have it... on it's way from 5.6 to 8.2 IdeaCrying or Very sad
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:35 pm
Also on this debate Bush wait several times any seconds until he answered or spoke ahead.
But I don't want to speculate about this, because there are always rumors but not clearly proofs.
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