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@Finn dAbuzz,

What are you talking about? I graduated high school in 1998 and I wrote papers as part of my schooling about abolishing the electoral college. It comes up every single ******* election.

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@Lash,

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Have you seen the electoral map of the US?

Going with the popular vote in the US would be like going with it in Europe: Brussels, London, Berlin, & Madrid would decide a single leader to preside over every other soul in Europe.

States have different interests. The Rust Belt, the farming areas, etc. The EC ensures that a presidential candidate must have responses to the various needs of all areas in our country. Without the EC, presidents and policies would ignore the needs of far-flung or "fly-over" areas.

It is frustrating when EC and popular votes don't match, but abolishing the EC would decimate the country.

The popular vote in this election wasn't decided along state lines, though. There were populations within the various states that decided the electoral college outcome. The system was gamed. That's what no one was expecting.

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@Lash,

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Again, for me, Trump is a big loud rude middle finger from middle America to the establishment.

Meet Australia's middle finger to our establishment.

I give you the xenophobic Pauline Hanson.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

What are you talking about? It comes up every single ******* election.

Feeble attempts

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

It comes up every single ******* election.

Only by the losers though it seems. I've yet to see the winning side decry the value of the Electoral College.

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@maporsche,

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How about distributing electoral college votes proportionately then?

It is, sort of.
You still have the problem of small and thinly populated states getting none. That's why they start with 3 and then give more depending on population.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

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How about distributing electoral college votes proportionately then?

It is, sort of.
You still have the problem of small and thinly populated states getting none. That's why they start with 3 and then give more depending on population.

The problem in this election wasn't that small- population states weren't represented. The problem was that certain groups within the various states were over represented. The electoral vote made their votes count more than the others within the states.

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@InfraBlue,

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The electoral vote made their votes count more than the others within the states.

Was this a problem for you in the primaries?

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@Builder,

Builder wrote:

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The electoral vote made their votes count more than the others within the states.

Was this a problem for you in the primaries?

Indirect votes have the flaw that the popular vote can be overriden.

Is there something specific that you're referring to in regard to the primaries in this election?

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@InfraBlue,

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Is there something specific that you're referring to in regard to the primaries in this election?

The electoral "college" votes distorted the voter's outcome in the primaries, which, ergo, affected directly the result in this "contest", Right?

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@InfraBlue,

Exactly how was it "gamed"?

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@Lash,

Clinton lost and that made him unhappy.

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Ahhh, sorry, I'm confusing electoral college with delegates.

My bad.

Either way, it doesn't look like democracy.

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@Builder,

Because it's not pure democracy and was never intended to be.

We are a Republic (Thank God!)

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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...it's not pure democracy and was never intended to be.

So, just lots of flag waving and then gnashing of teeth and burning stuff down?

You might take a look at our preferential voting system, if you want to see truly corrupted "democracy".

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@Builder,

What's your point?

Some are always disappointed and angered about any result that can go either way.

The Founders knew what they were doing and did everything they could to avoid tyranny.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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What's your point?

No point. Old men don't make points.

There's many ways to pretend to be democratic.

Mob rule by any other name is still mob rule.

I'm rather chuffed that the result didn't go as planned for certain individuals.

More's the pity that a decent candidate wasn't on the stage.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Exactly how was it "gamed"?

Voters were targeted in states critical in the electoral college system that determined the outcome of the election.

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@InfraBlue,

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Voters were targeted in states critical in the electoral college system that determined the outcome of the election.

And this did, or didn't work out for them?

And how would this be different from any other election cycle?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Clinton lost and that made him unhappy.

More specifically, the candidate with the higher popular voter count lost which made me unhappy.

Needless to say, this straw man of yours is irrelevant to the system being played.

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