No Justice, No Peace

@snood,

re reading, I agree.

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@georgeob1,

Sonny, have you ever known any black people? Tell me about it, please.

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@ossobucotemp,

ossobucotemp wrote:

Sonny, have you ever known any black people? Tell me about it, please.

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@ossobucotemp,

ossobucotemp wrote:

Sonny, have you ever known any black people? Tell me about it, please.

I'm a long way past the "sonny" bit but I do appreciate the sentiment ... and in the same manner in which it was likely offered.
How shall I address you ? Possibilities come to mind, but I'll ignore them.

Come down fron your self-righteous perch - it doesn't fit you well. I likely know and have known far more, many of a far greater variety, of people than have you, and have done so in a far greater variety of situations and relationships than you can likely imagine. Group differences are real and discernable, but not universal. We all share the same human nature. Differences among individual people are far greater and usually more significant.

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@georgeob1,

I know quite a lot of people. You brag without knowing. That isn't the deal, the deal is that we are equal.

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@ossobucotemp,

ossobucotemp wrote:

I know quite a lot of people. You brag without knowing. That isn't the deal, the deal is that we are equal.

If you believe the equality bit then why do you speak with such grossly exaggerated condesension ? It was you who (without knowing) inferred I don't know what I was writing about, and did so in a rather strange, awkward and contrived effort to be offensive. I was sorely tempted, but I did not reply in kind.

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@georgeob1,

Funny, I see condescension in a fair portion of your posts. Usually I skip on by.

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Stand together and name your price

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Thought I'd post this here.

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Police body cameras can dramatically reduce the number of complaints against officers, research suggests.

The Cambridge University study showed complaints by members of the public against officers fell by 93% over 12 months compared with the year before.

Almost 2,000 officers across four UK forces and two US police departments were monitored for the project.

Dr Barak Ariel, who led the research, said no other policing measure had led to such "radical" changes.

The study aimed to find out if the use of cameras, which are usually clipped to the top half of an officer's uniform, affected complaints against police made by the public.

The experiment involved police from Northern Ireland, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire, and Cambridgeshire, as well as the Rialto and Ventura police departments in California, working for a total of almost 1.5 million hours.

The findings, published in the journal Criminal Justice and Behaviour, showed there were 113 complaints made against officers during the year trial period, compared with 1,539 in the 12 months before - a reduction of 93%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37502136

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I don't think you can ever eliminate irrational hate....

Of course you can. Have you ever heard of GENOME EDITING?

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@Miller,

Yes, I have. It's pretty crispy but I figure that would take long long time if it worked at all since xenophobia would likely stick around even longer.

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A video of a US student in "blackface" apparently mocking the Black Lives Matter campaign has sparked outrage.

The Snapchat video shows a white student wearing an Albright College T-shirt with her face painted brown.

She is then heard to say "Black Lives Matter" - seeming to make fun of the protest movement - before dancing offensively for the camera.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37516739

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

So tell us which ones got off scott free

Oh, I'm sorry snood is black and therefore we should all just believe whatever he writes.

I really don't want to dignify the point of view that offers questions like "When have police officers escaped justice for killing black men?"Because I think that approach to this well-documented phenomenon is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst. But I did open the discussion, so I offer this short slide show of JUST A FEW representatives of black men who were killed and whose murderers went free - sometimes with trial, sometimes without. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dejuan-yource-arrested-on-porch_us_57eec39ee4b024a52d2ef329?&slideshow=true#gallery/5798bd43e4b0d3568f8549a5/0

Let me say upfront that I realize that the case of Michael Brown of Ferguson is often singled out as an example to prove the cries of injustice are false. I prefer to think of his case as the catalyst for the Justice Department probe that uncovered egregious examples of systemic miscarriages of justice by law enforcement in Ferguson, Missouri.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Let me say upfront that I realize that the case of Michael Brown of Ferguson is often singled out as an example to prove the cries of injustice are false. I prefer to think of his case as the catalyst for the Justice Department probe that uncovered egregious examples of systemic miscarriages of justice by law enforcement in Ferguson, Missouri.

That case is what it is, no matter how you "prefer to think about it". It certainly was an excuse for an investigation by the current Justice Department' investigation, but their behavior in that area for the past seven years certainly suggests the threshold for their initiations of such investigations is very low indeed. Such actions undermine the credibility of other valid claims and do great harm (as we are seeing) to the quality of civility and so-called 'race relations' in our society.

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@georgeob1,

I suppose on some level it's all about perspective. I see the scores of unjust police murders of blacks; you comment on only the Michael Brown case and the "low threshold" the Justice Department has had for civil rights investigations. I won't feign interest in knowing what you consider acceptable grounds for federal involvement.

I can't imagine you'll ever understand or admit to the legitimacy of the desperately urgent need for reform of law enforcement. You don't need to care about institutional racism in law enforcement and the justice system. It has touched my life and the lives of several people I have known, and known of.

When I try to understand why someone with so much disdain for the stated subject matter shows up here, I just try to flip the script. I try to imagine myself visiting a thread started by oh, let's say a white nationalist for instance; a thread lamenting the corrosion of America at the hands of "political correctness" and "multiculturalism". I ask myself, why would I even post there - knowing how much I abhor the very premises upon which such a rant would have to stand?

If I'm honest in my answer, I also get the answer to why you couldn't help putting your corroded two cents in here. Just to thumb your nose - just to show your ass.

Thanks for sharing.

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@snood,

I believe we need more conversation across these new artificial divides arising in the nation, not less. Shall we segregate ourselves on the basis of political beliefs as well as the far to many other frankly artifical barriers that divide us?

In a separate post I stated my opinion that these problems will persist until both sides begin to take actions to address the concerns of the other. Endless arguments about which of the different issues seen by the contending sides is worse; which precedes the other, or which should be addressed first are merely excuses for inaction by everyone. That is exactly where we are now.

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@georgeob1,

People without power tend to do worse. That is not articifial.

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@georgeob1,

Virtually everyone is calling for more "conversation;" more "dialogue," but for far too many, this means "You listen while I rant."

Snood certainly doesn't want a dialogue, in fact, if you disagree with him in anyway he suggests you shouldn't participate in the thread.

If every argument that is contrary to the initial premise is labeled racist, corrosive, ignorant et al, there's not much room for dialogue.

People are, of course, free to take whatever position they want on this issue, but slogans like "No Justice, No Peace!" don't ask for dialogue, they ask for capitulation.

Now if you believe that your position is 100% righteous and there is no possible contrarian argument that can be made, 100% capitulation is all you want.

You won't get it, of course, but it might satisfy you emotionally.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

People are, of course, free to take whatever position they want on this issue, but slogans like "No Justice, No Peace!" don't ask for dialogue, they ask for capitulation.

Or Else!

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@snood,

It is certainly clear the police are poorly trained. With the recent shooting and death of a six year old white boy by two black officers who lied about the details are now facing second degree murder charges. The man they were stopping didn't have a fun and his hands were outside the car window when they fired ten shots into the vehicle killing the young boy and wounding the father.

I'm not going to say there are not white cops who are racist but I honestly think the problem has always been police training and how they respond to calls on crimes.

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