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No Justice, No Peace

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2017 08:19 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
If you kill someone, whether the criminal justice system throws you in prison may come down to your race.

That’s the takeaway from a recent report by Daniel Lathrop and Anna Flagg at the Marshall Project. They looked at federal data to analyze the circumstances in which a homicide was deemed “justifiable” by police. Their findings were astounding:

In almost 17 percent of cases when a black man was killed by a non-Hispanic white civilian over the last three decades, the killing was categorized as justifiable, which is the term used when a police officer or a civilian kills someone committing a crime or in self-defense. Overall, the police classify fewer than 2 percent of homicides committed by civilians as justifiable. …

In comparison, when Hispanics killed black men, about 5.5 percent of cases were called justifiable. When whites killed Hispanics, it was 3.1 percent. When blacks killed whites, the figure was just 0.8 percent. When black males were killed by other blacks, the figure was about 2 percent, the same as the overall rate.

The racial disparity held up after controlling for different circumstances. When they adjusted for how well the killer and victim knew each other and how the victim was killed, white-on-black-men homicides were two to 10 times as likely to be called “justifiable.” And when controlling for age in addition to those other factors, white-on-black-men homicides remained 4.7 times as likely to be called “justifiable” as other cases. The disparity also seemed to hold up across the country, according to the report.

Most likely the disparity is due to blacks being more likely to violently attack white people, requiring those white people to defend themselves to save their lives. Look at the way certain posters here feel that blacks should be allowed to murder police officers.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2017 08:55 pm
@oralloy,
Wow, you've said a ton of ridiculous things, but now you claim there is someone online on THIS forum who thinks 'blacks' should be allowed to shoot police officers???? This is 'crazier than an outhouse rat' statement. Who do you think actually believes this nonsense? You're just making things up in an effort to annoy other people.......that's sadly pathetic.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2017 10:02 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Wow, you've said a ton of ridiculous things, but now you claim there is someone online on THIS forum who thinks 'blacks' should be allowed to shoot police officers???? This is 'crazier than an outhouse rat' statement. Who do you think actually believes this nonsense? You're just making things up in an effort to annoy other people.......that's sadly pathetic.

And pathetically sad
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 09:31 am
@snood,
It's jaw droppingly ignorant. I don't use the word ignorant very often, but that statement was either ignorant or an intentional lie. I hope I never understand the reason people make up outrageously demented hate filled lies.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:26 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
He's making snotty comments about my needing ADHD medication because I don't want to read through his goofy circuitous posts. Does he honestly believe ANYONE wants to read that boring tripe?

In other words, he posts facts that debunk your racist rants and you don't like it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:32 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
He seems to think that being prolix establishes him as the thinking man's conservative.

His long posts are indeed thoughtful and to the point. Which is likely why no one has attempted to challenge any of his facts.


Setanta wrote:
All while he pukes up shop-worn right wing clichés and the latest party line from President Plump.

The truth may well be cliche and it may well be Trump's party line, but that's no reason for he or I to stop being truthful.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:33 pm
@oralloy,
This is ridiculous. You can't find one sentence in any of Snoods comments that are anywhere remotely racist. Are you enjoying the attention? People actually address you when you engage in the outrageous, that's even more pathetic. By the way, Jerry Springer is still on the air.......call Jerry and volunteer to appear on his show.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:34 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
It's one of the right wing's favorite tricks - co-opting a Democratic icon. In this case it was a fake one. They love to parade Alveda King -MLK's niece - around at their "rallies", because she's the only member of MLK's extended family who they could get to sell her soul.

This cultlike nonsense about how black people are traitors if they agree with Republicans is one of the main reasons why African Americans have so little political say in America. The Republicans don't bother appealing to blacks because blacks will hate them regardless. Politicians focus on appealing to people who will reward them with votes. And the Democrats feel free to ignore the interests of blacks because blacks will vote for them no matter what.

I notice that Hispanics are smart enough to not fall into that trap. The Democrats keep feeding them nonsense about Republicans being their enemy, apparently in the belief that Hispanics will be just as gullible, but Hispanics are smarter than the Democrats are willing to believe.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:35 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Wow, you've said a ton of ridiculous things,

All I do is point out facts and reality. If people don't like hearing the truth that isn't my fault.


glitterbag wrote:
but now you claim there is someone online on THIS forum who thinks 'blacks' should be allowed to shoot police officers???? This is 'crazier than an outhouse rat' statement. Who do you think actually believes this nonsense?

Snood of course. I thought that would have been obvious with the way he always throws a big tantrum whenever a police officer survives a murder attempt.


glitterbag wrote:
You're just making things up in an effort to annoy other people.......

No, I was only denouncing Snood's racist hatemongering.


glitterbag wrote:
that's sadly pathetic.

Perhaps, had I been doing such a thing. Luckily for me though I was being entirely truthful just as always.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:36 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
And pathetically sad

Not at all. Standing up to you and your racist hatemongering is a Very Good Thing.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:37 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
It's jaw droppingly ignorant. I don't use the word ignorant very often, but that statement was either ignorant or an intentional lie.

Actually no. My statement was 100% true.


glitterbag wrote:
I hope I never understand the reason people make up outrageously demented hate filled lies.

I happen to remember some time back you reacted to me posting facts that you didn't want to hear by posting some offensive lies about me.

Not that I want to drag up old namecalling again. Let's just stick to the current discussion over whether or not my statements are factually true, since that is being conducted nice and civilly thus far.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 03:44 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
This is ridiculous. You can't find one sentence in any of Snoods comments that are anywhere remotely racist.

How about his BLM tantrums whenever a police officer survives a murder attempt?


glitterbag wrote:
Are you enjoying the attention?

By attention you mean you responding to me?

Well I'm happy there is no namecalling. I enjoy civil discussions. Mainly though I'm hungry and thinking of making some sandwiches after I get all caught up in this thread.


glitterbag wrote:
People actually address you when you engage in the outrageous, that's even more pathetic.

People address me all the time. I suppose sometimes they do so because they find one of the facts that I post to be outrageous. I know I am likely to respond to something that outrages me, and I suppose other people are much the same.

I don't think my posting of facts is very pathetic. Nor do I think it pathetic to respond when reading something outrageous. Confronting provocative ideas helps to broaden our horizons.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 04:35 pm
@snood,
Ok, I'm not reading anymore of his posts, it's on ignore and has been been for quite some time. The next time I get curious about that nonsense and abandon self respect to actually address that horse pucky, I need to just say 'Jerry Springer, there but for the grace of God'.
reasoning logic
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 05:14 pm
I wonder how many of you can think out side your bubble and understand how this manipulation is going to effect you personally even though you may not be invested. 4 minutes of education is not going to ruin you day.

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reasoning logic
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 05:37 pm
If you like corruption you may enjoy this outcome.

glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 06:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
Shouldn't you be asleep?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 06:54 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Ok, I'm not reading anymore of his posts, it's on ignore and has been been for quite some time. The next time I get curious about that nonsense and abandon self respect to actually address that horse pucky, I need to just say 'Jerry Springer, there but for the grace of God'.

Your failure to even try to challenge any of my facts is noted.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 07:15 pm
@oralloy,
This is pointless. Life is precious, why should I waste one frigging second dealing with a lunatic. Or you??? I don't know what you're smoking, but you need to give it up.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2017 07:35 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
This is pointless. Life is precious, why should I waste one frigging second dealing with a lunatic. Or you???

There is no reason in particular for you to engage in discussion on a messageboard. Most people do it because they enjoy factual discussions with people who have different viewpoints.

I do offer some free advice though: If you are not willing to back up your viewpoint with facts, you might as well not bother trying to challenge other viewpoints. Presentation of facts counts for much in messageboard discussions.


glitterbag wrote:
I don't know what you're smoking, but you need to give it up.

No sort of smoke has ever entered my lungs. (I can't stand anti-smoking zealots though, so don't confuse me for one of those nutcases.)
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 04:13 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

This is pointless. Life is precious, why should I waste one frigging second dealing with a lunatic.


Good question. Why do you?
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