When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

I am glad to read that, I know it was just a slogan when Hillary said there was more to untie them than to divide them, but it has more than a shred of truth. In fact I hope she gives him a position in her cabinet, some kind of labor or something similar suitable to him. Not as a bribe but just because he would be an asset in such a position.

You think it is possible he didn't see the first number of three digit numbers? 217 - 121

Quote georgeob1:

If, after living through the Cold War and re-living WWII through the conversations of your parents and aunts and uncles , you still don't assume that any conversations Russia releases will have been changed wherever possible to further their foreign policy interests, then you are indeed hopeless.

And stopping Hillary, with her strong support of NATO, is absolutely in Russia's foreign policy interests. Very strongly in their interest. Hillary will keep up NATO's policy of not allowing Russia to re-conquer Eastern Europe. Trump is on record as saying that first he'll check to see if the invaded Eastgern European country has paid it's bills to NATO, then he'll deal with Russia based on the mutual interests of the USA and Russia. Which apparently means that Russia can have Poland if it wants, just as long as they sweeten the deal to the USA.

Not if you look at both candidates with an open mind. tRump cant speak two sentences without telling an outright lie that can be checked on any truth site.

I think he is saying it isn't necessary to doctor the information they hacked as though it matters if it is necessary or not. As a matter of course Russia will doctor the information before releasing it, it is the way they operate. Some of it might be true but some will be false thereby making the whole leak non-credible but I am sure when they release their October surprise none of that will matter as much as headlines coming out of it. I just hope it doesn't set her back with too little time to make it up. I am a little worried about it.

I generally agree with that . The Russians may do what you indicate, but the fact is that Hillary has hidden and evaded enough rather obvious truth to make the chore of doctoring it either unnecessary or very easy.

She may use that argument as a way to deflect the reaction, and, given all the, under the table, help she's gotten from the FBI and the Justice Department, it may well work. After all she's survived this far....

I agree with you to a point but the problem does not lie with the candidates but rather all of us who can not see the Evil or Antisocial behavior that the two major candidates have.

Hillary, the teflon lady. I think the same goes for Trump. He's still up there in the stratosphere, and that includes women and Hispanics.

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Quote georgeob1:

So in other words, when the Russians release their deliberately altered version of what Hillary supposedly said you advocate everyone should accept it at face value and not bother themselves with checking to make sure it's the truth.

I thought only a Russian could be dumb enough to say, "Comrade, you don't know know if it is true or not true, but remember it is against Hillary, so it must be true". Looks like you've signed up for the lobotomy league.

You never really got over the whole Reds under the Bed campaign, did you Blinkers?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html

Well, to my knowledge the Russians haven't released anything, and whether they will, and will doctor it, is quite unknown.

My impression is you and other Hillary supporters have resisted accepting any of her many lies as face value, and succombed to her shallow evasions at every turn. Moreover the FBI and the Justice department have gone to great lengths to corrupt investigative and judicial provesses to guarantee her immunity from probably well deserved prosecution.

For you, on top of all that, to suggest that the public may wrongfully believe any additional releases of information, and that they will necessarily be "doctored" is a bit of hubris, one that reveals that you are immune ot evidence in any form. That, of course is your right, but you should be aware that inexorably the public is coming to perceive the truth here.

And I'll add that anyone with a few firing synapses could tell you that using an unsecured server for any kind of emails is like leaving your door open when you go on holidays, and expecting everyone to respect your privacy.

Some pundits are saying it was done on purpose, and pleading ignorance was part of the ploy. Much money to be made on the side in trading intel for lucre.

Lucky there's a foundation to send that lucre to anon.

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Ummm, you just got done arguing that if the Russians release Hillary's Emails, those Emails should still be accepted as accurate.

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So first you say you're willing to believe any Emails the Russians release, then you turn around and say the Russians didn't release anything, why are we talking about Russians? George, you're the guy who's talking about them.

The impression grows that you will grasp at any straw to turn the Email nonsense into a defeat for Hillary, because you know it really doesn't have the legs to do so. That won't stop you from trying though.

It is you who is grasping at straws, not me. I merely agreed that the Russians may well release something. However, I have no knowledge or opinion (and expressed none ) about what it might be, and whether it has been "doctored" to use your phrase. I certainly made no claim about the credibility of something neither you nor I have seen. You are wasting your energy on your own imaginings of something that does not yet exist (at least in the public domain), and which none of us yet knows.

I did indeed note that in her careless and stupid effort to avoid Federal rules about access to government information for both security rules & law and Freedom of information law, Hillary created huge possibilities for hacking and the subsequent release of sugh information by others. That is simply an undeniable fact. It is a far cry from predicting what the Russians may do, and whether or not something that has not yet been seen is credible.

It's also a fact that Hillary has, through the corrupt assistance of the present administration , and a chorus of deniers in the media and Democrat party, successfuly evaded accountability for things she has indeed done, and that she and they have indulged in a great deal of decpetion in the process of "vindicating" her.

As I separately noted, some of this stuff appears to be catching up with Hillary. Public perceptions of her honesty and character have fallen considerably, and (in my view) the recent narrowing of the gap between her and Trump in polls has much more to do with a decline in her appeal to voters than a rise in Trump's.

There was a sudden jump in the polls for Hillary after the debate, and consequent fall for Trump. Then Trump got shitfaced at 3am and started calling Miss Universe 1996 a slut on Twitter. The public has moved on from Emails to wondering if Trump wins, will the Inauguration have to take place not at the Capitol building but in a rehab center with Dr. Drew administering the oath of office instead of the Chief Justice.

Perhaps you have the information and sagacity to speak for the public. I don't, and try to avoid such foolich claims, either directly or indirectly.

No but you make many foolish statements, almost all of them about how this whole election MUST revolve around the Emails and very little else. Plainly the public disagrees, although maybe not among the people you know.

Bullshit. Why would Jill Stein a Putin loving commie inherit all Bernie's supporters on Nov 8 is she can't seem to pull them up now for any of the polls????

The difference in Bernie's socialism and Jill's is Jill is a card carrying "Socialist" and Bernie isn't.