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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 12:12 pm
The one thing that has me worried is this stuff I keep hearing about concerning the "October surprise." It amazes me that people will probably not think the source of the leaks suspect therefore the whole emails leaks suspect. I mean Assange got his leaks from Russian hackers who have been known to doctor the material they get so anything coming from that source should naturally be thought suspect. But of course it won't, the average person don't really know or care about the nitty gritty of these kinds of stories and will just go for whatever headline will come out of WikiLeaks without considering source or the process. It is so frustrating and illegal that we not only have to deal with normal dirty politics this election season but apparently foreign Russian interference in our election and not to many people will consider that when the "October surprise" comes around.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 12:51 pm
@revelette2,
Some might argue that with Hillary you don't need to make this **** up. The verified material is ample. Now the FBI is being asked why they gave everyone around Hillary immunity and then brought no charges at all. From a legal and investigative perspective this is excewesing unusual and suspect.

There's little doubt that there is a little excess zeal among some of the Hillary haters, but that appears to be well balanced by those who go to extreme lengths to deny the obvious. You sometimes appear to be one.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 01:17 pm
@georgeob1,
Whatever George, I have been following the Russian/Julian Assange WikiLeaks thing and I have read several pieces. I may not be one the smartest around here, far from it. However, in the past there has been too many times I have been caught out when making statements so now when I make a clear statement about something, I usually make it from something I have read and I know I can look it up if I don't right away provide the link. The following is not from a left wing site but the respected Politico, pretty well balanced in regards to both sides of the political parties. I don't think it is hate motivated but Putin has a strong reason to want Trump to win. (there are articles backing up that statement too)

Democrats' new warning: Leaks could include Russian lies


excerpts:

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Intelligence officials — including NSA Director Adm. Michael Rogers and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper — have long argued that data manipulation more broadly is a disturbing possibility, and potentially the next front in both cybercrime and the budding digital warfare between countries.

Last month, a bipartisan group of 32 national security experts at the Aspen Institute Homeland Security Group warned of a specific type of fakery following the DNC hack, arguing that the suspected Russian hackers who struck the DNC and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee could “salt the files they release with plausible forgeries.”


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But hacking specialists say the most harmful information might not even be genuine.

“You may have material that’s 95 percent authentic, but 5 percent is modified, and you’ll never actually be able to prove a negative, that you never wrote what’s in that material,” CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch told POLITICO. “Even if you released the original email, how will you prove that it’s not doctored? It’s sort of damned if you do, damned if you don’t."

Several Democratic operatives said they even expect fake information, though mixed with enough truth to cause damage.


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In 2013, Syrian hackers backing embattled President Bashar Assad hijacked The Associated Press’ Twitter account, tweeting out falsified reports of two explosions at the White House that had injured Obama. The Dow plummeted in minutes, wiping out $136 billion in market value, according to Bloomberg. It stabilized shortly thereafter, once the report was revealed to be a hoax.

Russia has long been known for engaging in such propaganda warfare, going back to the days of the Soviet Union, when the KGB spread conspiracy theories about the FBI and CIA’s involvement in President John F. Kennedy’s assassination. In the 1980s, the KGB planted newspaper articles alleging that the U.S. had invented HIV during a biological weapons research project.

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The security agency also secretly helped an East German journalist write a book, “Who’s Who in the CIA,” that accurately outed numerous undercover CIA agents but also intentionally included a raft of people who were simply American officials stationed overseas, according to a former top Soviet security official.

In the weeks since the DNC email leaks, cyber specialists on Twitter have been circulating a passage from the memoirs of a former East German spymaster who wrote about the “creative” use of forgeries in conjunction with genuine leaks.

“Embarrassed by the publication of genuine but suppressed information, the targets were badly placed to defend themselves against the other, more damaging accusations that had been invented,” wrote Markus Wolf, who had headed East Germany’s foreign intelligence division for more than three decades. (On the other hand, he added that, “my principle was to stick as close to the truth as possible, especially when there was so much of it that could easily further the department’s aims.”)


There is a lot more information about recent Russian hackers but the point is we are dealing Russia with Putin as a former KGB agent (whatever) it is not a leap to think there will be doctored information put out along with some truths; it is the way they operate. You should be looking at the larger picture rather than just political picture dealing with cyber warfare and a new Russian threat, but of course you won't. It is hard to take you serious the way you put your head in the sand in your desire to have a republican any republican government.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 01:25 pm
In furtherance of what I was talking about this piece was just released today from Fortune.com:

Researchers Think the Same People Hacked the DNC and MH17 Journalists
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Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 01:49 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
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Some might argue that with Hillary you don't need to make this **** up.

So-claims against Hillary no longer need to be investigated or discussed, because we all know she probably did it, whatever it is?

That makes perfect right wing sense.

Carry on.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 02:06 pm
@Blickers,
Evidently you don't read well either. The statement referred to suggestions that evil Russian hackers might be altering their hacked material to make it look like Hillary was telling fibs. The implied suggestion was that isn't really necessary. Probably a result of clearly exaggerated fears the State Department has a reson for delaying the required release of her e mails until after the election.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 03:09 pm
@reasoning logic,
If its up to me he wont be president.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 03:16 pm
@revelette2,
And if its something detrimental to Clinton you can bet the house every news source in the country will print it, without checking the authenticity. Because it makes them money.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 03:17 pm
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/just-in-time-bernie-getting-in-tune-with-hillary.html

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Bernie Sanders’s initial efforts on behalf of his former primary rival Hillary Clinton were not, at least in my opinion, very impressive; they made it sound like electing Clinton president was an unpleasant but necessary chore to get out of the way before his “political revolution” could resume.

Now Sanders is back on the trail not just on Clinton’s behalf but by her side, beginning with an appearance in New Hampshire last night. And his message is significantly more focused on her agenda, and not just as an afterthought. It helped that their speeches at the University of New Hampshire concentrated on a topic on which they’ve always been close and now have a jointly endorsed proposal: college tuition relief. But they sounded much more like teammates working together than former antagonists forced to combine forces against a common enemy.

Bernie’s new assistance to Clinton comes at a good time and place. As Sasha Issenberg and Steven Yaccino explain in the latest installment of their very granular look at battleground states, New Hampshire is prominent in a tier of northern states where former Sanders supporters are central to Clinton’s potential margin of victory.


<links at article>

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[T]hese Berniependents represent eight percent of the total expected votes Clinton will need to win the state, a figure well larger than the margin in most current polls (though not all of them will turn out). In Durham, where Clinton and Sanders have scheduled their joint appearance, Berniependents are equal to more than one out of five Democratic primary voters.

Issenberg and Yaccino go on to show that Sanders “holdouts” are also a problem for Clinton in Minnesota and Wisconsin, states where she has led in every poll but not always by comfortable margins. A joint Clinton-Sanders appearance at the University of Wisconsin, for example, could do a lot to put that state away.

Aside from targeted campaigning, a sharpening of the Sanders message for Clinton, which seemed to be developing in New Hampshire, would be helpful just about everywhere. His new rap about the consequences of a Donald Trump victory, which makes sitting out the election a great moral error, is pretty strong. He might want to add in some reminders of the kind of world Libertarians like Gary Johnson want to build, where, yeah, you can smoke weed, but you’re totally on your own in facing life’s vicissitudes.

In any event, it seems the bad feelings and genuine differences of opinion of the 2016 Democratic primaries are finally fading to the point where Bernie Sanders is an indispensable asset for Clinton. If the race stays close, it could matter a lot.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 03:20 pm
@georgeob1,
George, you are becoming more and more Lash like the longer you post.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 04:08 pm
@ehBeth,
http://www.270towin.com/maps/clinton-trump-electoral-map

more fell into the toss-up category

Clinton 217 / 169 / 48
Trump 121 / 15 /106

200

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but then

http://www.270towin.com/news/2016/09/29/new-battleground-polls-clinton-wins-debate-holds-single-digit-lead_384.html#.V-2QbTRrjIU

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The first post-debate battleground polls are out today, courtesy of Public Policy Polling. The firm surveyed five states, with Hillary Clinton leading by three to seven points in a two-way race; two to six points when 3rd party candidates are named. In all five states, by a margin of about 20 points, respondents felt Clinton was the winner of Monday's debate.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 04:51 pm
@ehBeth,
That looks surprisingly close.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 04:53 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
If its up to me he wont be president


I wish you were correct but from what I am hearing, Donald may be the next president but what would you expect when you have to choose from two piles of ****? That makes it impossible to make a good decision.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 04:54 pm
@georgeob1,
217 - 121


surprisingly close


I think that's about to become a meme


Laughing
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 04:57 pm
@ehBeth,
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Bernie Sanders’s initial efforts on behalf of his former primary rival Hillary Clinton were not, at least in my opinion, very impressive;


You think that was not impressive but you might find that Jill gets an impressive amount of Bernie supporters in November.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 05:05 pm
@reasoning logic,
It's probably hard to be enthusiastic for someone that not just cheated in the primaries but is a corporate shill.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 05:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
Best you can do?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 08:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Best you can do?


No that is the best Hitlary can do.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 08:43 pm
@RABEL222,
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Probably about the same amount your being paid to support tRump.


Trump can pay very well when he does pay even though it may be late at times or not at all.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2016 08:51 pm
@RABEL222,
We know how much the democrats like to be nice to people and give to the downtrodden but will you help me to prove this 3 minute video to be wrong?

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