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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 08:29 pm
@Builder,
We do have the three branches of government, but who knows what will happen with Trump at the helm?
He's been known to be the "I" guy, but he might have some good people to give him good advise.
"I will do this.......I will do that........I will.......
giujohn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 08:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You people amaze me with your false hysterical machinations about trump. He heads a multi national multi billion dollar enterprise...do you think he did this all by his lonesome micro managing every aspect, or do ya think maybe he replied on others for their expert guidance and counsel and allowed them to execute their recommendations?

How disengenuous can you all be...or is it just wishful thinking that he will be some magical dictator so you can say, I told you so?
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
We do have the three branches of government, but who knows what will happen with Trump at the helm?


What is the current approval rating of Congress? hasn't seen the sunny side of 15% for quite some time.

The judicial branch can be stacked a little, I guess.

The generals vetoed Obama a few times, and they could do the same with the new prez. He doesn't actually have access to nuke "codes". You know that, right?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:29 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
He doesn't actually have access to nuke "codes". You know that, right?


Let me guess with this same logic you are sharing, he never will ? Where will your logic go from here?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I do blame trump's success on you and many others who were not able to see Hitlarie's and Trump's antisocial personality disorders even though many people shared the evidence with you. Wake the **** up wont you?
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:43 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Where will your logic go from here?


It's called a chain of command. There are no codes. Your logic fails you again.

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Presumably, by the time the POTUS got into that position, they gained the scruples not to launch a needless nuclear annihilation of another nation. That said, there's a chain of command that involves the Secretary of Defense who could refuse to relay the order (his codes —or those of the Asst. Sec. Defense in his absence— are required to launch) and then quickly call the Cabinet and Congress to report that the POTUS had gone crazy. The Cabinet can declare the President unfit in a letter to Congress.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:59 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
It's called a chain of command. There are no codes. Your logic fails you again.


Quote:
Presumably, by the time the POTUS got into that position, they gained the scruples not to launch a needless nuclear annihilation of another nation


Quote:
]It's called a chain of command.


Do you think that Trump may find himself to be respectful of this chain of command or possibly the weakest link?
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Presumably, by the time the POTUS got into that position, they gained the scruples not to launch a needless nuclear annihilation of another nation



OK that could be seen as a good thing,
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:24 pm
@Builder,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority
Authority to use nuclear weapon.
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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....the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it.[2][3][4]


Obama couldn't force the generals to invade Syria. Remember that.
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 11:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Do you think that Trump may find himself to be respectful of this chain of command or possibly the weakest link?


His inauguration is in January.

His apprenticeship is still in the works.

And who would you consider to be a threat to the US of A at this point in time?

Mexico, perhaps?
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 11:54 pm
@Builder,
Quote Builder:
Quote:
Obama couldn't force the generals to invade Syria. Remember that.

Why should he? It's not true. Obama said he would seek Congressional approval, the generals had nothing to do with it.



How many Kremlin talking points do you plan to fill this message board with anyway? Everything you post sounds like the paid Kremlin trolls on YouTube. I wonder why?
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 11:56 pm
@Blickers,
Intel showed since, that the chemical weapons were supplied by Saudis.

Nice try, Blinkers. Old hat now.
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Evidence leads directly to the White House, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey, CIA Director John Brennan, Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Bandar, and Saudi Arabia´s Interior Ministry.
The Strategic Situation, leading up to the Use of Chemical Substances in the Eastern Ghouta Suburb of Damascus on 21 August 2013.

Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : On 21 August 2013, the Syrian Arab Army launched a major military campaign in Damascus. The campaign, called “Operation Shield of the Capital”, was the largest military operation of the Syrian Arab Army in the Damascus region since the beginning of the war in 2011.

ObamaDempseyBandarAlthough U.S. Intelligence reports repeatedly stressed that the opposition was incapable of launching a major, well coordinated attack, the Syrian Army in Damascus was confronted with an organized fighting force of 25.000 men under arms.

The Saudi Arabia backed Jihadist front had amassed 25.000 fighters, organized in 13 battalions or kitab, to to launch a major assault against the capital Damascus. Most of the battalions belonged to Jabhat al-Nusrah and Liwa-al-Islam. The other battalions that took part in the campaign, were the Abou Zhar al-Ghaffari, al-Ansar, al-Mohajereen, Daraa al-Sham, Harun al-Rashid, Issa bin Mariam, Sultan Mohammad al-Fatih, Syouf al-Haqq, the Glory of the Caliphate, the Jobar Martyrs.

During the night of 20 to 21 August and during the early morning hours of 21 August, the Syrian Arab Army broke through the insurgent lines in the area near the Jobar entrance. The breakthrough resulted in a collapse of the jihadists defensive positions and to a crushing and decisive strategic defeat of the Jabhat al-Nusrah led brigades.
Al-Mafraq to Jobar

The (A) is located in the Jobar district of Damascus.
The Strategic Significance of the Jobar Entrance and the Defeat. Cutting off the Insurgents’ Logistical Life-Line to Al-Mafraq and U.S. – Saudi Supplies.

The significance of the Jobar Entrance was that it both enabled the insurgents to launch attacks against the center of Damascus and that it was the sole remaining logistical supply route.

From Jobar, the insurgents could launch attacks. From Jobar they could infiltrate operatives, bombs and car bombs into the heart of Damascus. Loosing the Jobar Entrance also meant that the insurgents lost their last remaining route through which they could receive reinforcements and U.S. and Saudi supplies from Jordan.

Loosing Jobar effectively cut off the insurgents connection to the Jordanian border town of Al-Mafraq, the most important logistical base for the insurgents as well as for Saudi Arabia and the United States in Jordan.

Al-Mafraq was already used as a major staging ground for the two failed attempts to conquer the city of Homs in June and July 2012. In 2012 al-Mafraq became the staging ground for some 40.000 fighters; more than 20.000 of them fought under the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which was under the command of Abdelhakim Belhadj and his second in command, Mahdi al-Harati.

The CIA maintains a station, US Special Forces (JSOC) train insurgents, and several other US institutions are present in al-Mafraq. The point is of particular importance with regards to the visit of the U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Jordan, which will be detailed below. Al-Mafraq has been the major transit point for Saudi and U.S. arms shipments since 2012, and the delivery of advanced Saudi and U.S. weapons to the insurgents since early August 2013.
Al Mafraq NATO Mercenaries in Buffer Zone

The al-Mafraq region has since 2012 been declared a military zone. It functions as a major military training and staging area. U.S. Intelligence Services and Special Forces are present, training insurgents, among others, in “handling captured chemical weapons”.

The foreign-backed mercenaries’ defeat during the night from 20 to 21 August and the early morning hours of 21 August frustrated any hope for a successful, large-scale, CIA-U.S. Special Forces-led military campaign against Damascus.

The insurgents also suffered a decisive, strategic defeat on 17 – 18 August, when a brigade was encircled and fought down near the Syrian Israeli border in the Golan, while they were en route from the Ramtha Airbase in Jordan to Damascus.

It is very likely that much of the newly-delivered advanced weaponry from Saudi Arabia and the USA was destroyed there. That includes, among others, advanced Konkurs anti-tank missiles.

The road is also used for weapons and troop transports from the Israeli occupied Syrian Golan, where Israeli Intelligence and the insurgents, according to an Austrian UNDOF officer, maintain a joint operations room.
Liwa-al-Islam and Jabhat al-Nusrah’s Elite Troops to Hold Jobar At Any Cost.

The collapse of the insurgent front prompted the front commanders, most of which work in liaison to U.S. Special Forces, to deploy an elite force that should prevent the Syrian Army, at all costs, from gaining access to the Jobar Entrance, and from gaining control over the Jobar area. The majority of the insurgent crack forces came from Liwa-al-Islam with some additional troops from Jabhat al-Nusrah.

The commanding officer of the elite forces was a Saudi national who is known by the name Abu Ayesha, whom eyewitnesses from Ghouta later identified as Abu Abdul-Moneim. Abdul-Moneim had established a cache of weapons, some of which had a tube-like structure, and others which looked like big gas bottles. The cache was located in a tunnel in the Eastern Ghouta district of Damascus.

Reports about this tunnel and the weapons cache emerged in international media, after the son of Abdul-Moneim and 12 other fighters lost their lives there, because they mishandled improvised chemical weapons and caused a leak in one of them.

Besides Abu Abdul-Moneim, the supreme leader of the Liwa-al-Islam and commander of their chemical weapons specialists, Zahran Alloush took personal charge of the elite troops and chemical weapons specialists who were operating under his direct command.

Liwa-al-Islam has, along with other al-Qaeda brigades, the capability to manufacture and launch primitive, but none the less very deadly chemical weapons. The chemical weapons which Zahran Alloush had delivered to Damascus were most likely from al-Qaeda’s (ISIL) chemical weapons stockpiles in Iraq.

Javad ZarifIn early September 2013, Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif stated, that Iran had sent a memo to the White House via the Swiss Embassy in Tehran. Tehran had reportedly informed the USA that handmade articles for chemical weapons, including Sarin gas, were being transferred to Syria. The White House failed to respond.

Having to hold the Jobar Entrance and the Jobar district of Damascus “at any cost to maintain any hopes of launching a successful, major military assault on Damascus”, the insurgent commanders decided to launch a chemical weapons attack to halt the advance of the Syrian Arab Army.

The political and military opposition and core members of the international alliance behind them had already decided that chemical weapons should be used in August – September. The large scale use of chemical weapons should justify renewed calls for a military intervention. Intelligence about this decision transpired in June. nsnbc international issued several reports in late June and early July, warning that the insurgents would use large scale chemical weapons attacks in August or September.
Image: After firing a single rocket, the truck is promptly covered and prepared for transit. The purpose of a national chemical arsenal is to provide a deterrence against foreign aggressors and for deployment in pitched, full-scale warfare. This modified truck was clearly designed for launching a single rocket, at a painfully slow rate of fire - not for tactical purposes. It is however, literally, the perfect vehicle for a false-flag attack, particularly the chemical attack carried out in Damascus in late August.

Image: After firing a single rocket, the truck is promptly covered and prepared for transit. The purpose of a national chemical arsenal is to provide a deterrence against foreign aggressors and for deployment in pitched, full-scale warfare. This modified truck was clearly designed for launching a single rocket, at a painfully slow rate of fire – not for tactical purposes. It is however, literally, the perfect vehicle for a false-flag attack, particularly the chemical attack carried out in Damascus in late August.

The decision to launch the chemical weapon on 21 August was most likely based on two considerations. That the use of chemical weapons was already planned. That the Jobar Entrance should be defended at all costs. The final decision, made by Zahran Alloush may in fact have been predetermined together with his U.S. – Saudi liaison officers.

Launching a chemical weapons attack would allow the USA, UK and France, to call for military strikes against Syria and to turn the tide.

Also, Russian and Syrian intelligence sources described the weapons which were used in the attack as rockets which were altered so as to carry chemicals, launched by Liwa-al-Islam. The projectiles were most likely fired from a flatbed.
Saudi and U.S. Involvement. Political and Military Responsibility.

There is a growing and substantial amount of evidence that indicates direct U.S. and Saudi involvement in the chemical weapons attack. To begin with one merely has to answer the fundamental question “Who Benefits”, and the answer is definitely not “the Syrian government”.

In fact, the Federal German Intelligence Service (BND) claims that it has intercepted phone calls between Syrian officers and the Syrian High Command. The BND is convinced that none of the Syrian forces have used a chemical weapon. Leaving alone any moral considerations, the domestic and international repercussions were foreseeable and there would not have been any strategic benefit for the Syrian Army or the government.


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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 12:09 am
@Builder,
But you still push the Kremlin lines all the paid Russian trolls push on YouTube. Over and over. Obama said in his speech that he wanted a debate in Congress on the action, even though he had the power to invade Syria, and this became a moot point when Assad two days later agreed to get rid of the Syrian government's poison sarin gas under UN supervision. An agreement that never would have occurred without Obama's pressure.

I realize that the Kremlin propagandists who write your talking points are unfamiliar with the concept of a President like Obama looking to get the affirmation of Congress and the Senate before undertaking a military action, since Russian leaders typically only understand power and personal aggrandizement. But Obama deftly got Assad to give up his sarin gas stores without firing a shot. It's called leadership.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 12:11 am
@Blickers,
One question for you;

What is the first casualty in any conflict?
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:09 pm
Clinton campaign made a mistake, didn't heed warnings, former PA Gov. Ed Rendell says

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Hillary Clinton's campaign made a mistake by not courting the white working class vote, Democratic former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell told CNBC on Tuesday.

He said he was among those who warned that voting population should not be overlooked, yet those warnings went unheeded.

Of course hindsight is 20/20. But if I was in charge of campaign, I would have sent Hillary into those white working class areas in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania," said Rendell, who is also the former chair of the Democratic National Committee.

Clinton made those efforts during the primary, when she spoke with coal miners in West Virginia. While she didn't change every mind and lost the primary in that state, she did manage to change some minds, he told "Power Lunch."

"You've got to relate to people, you've got to ask people for their votes. We didn't ask that group for their votes. We just assumed they wouldn't vote or they were going to vote for Trump. Ask people for their votes. Give them a reason to think that you care about them," Rendell said.

Meanwhile, President-elect Donald Trump was able to tap into the working class' frustration and anger about the economy, he said.

"They needed simple answers, someone to blame. And Donald Trump conveniently said trade was to blame," he said. "They were a convenient group for a good, simple message delivered directly and Trump did a great job delivering that message."

Joan Williams, director of the Center for WorkLife Law at the University of California Hastings College of Law, believes there is an important culture gap between the white working class and many in the Democratic Party who see themselves as progressive.

For example, Democrats try to connect with the working class by talking about things like paid leave and minimum wage. However, the white working class doesn't want to be earning a higher hourly wage working at McDonald's, she said.

"They want a solid job that delivers a solid middle class living, in a context where that's becoming more and difficult but not impossible," Williams noted. "But they don't want to go to college and become anthropologists. And I think sometimes the progressive Democrats forget that."

She also believes many in the white working class resent professionals because they feel professionals look down on them. However, they admire the rich because that's what they would like to be, she said.

"They just want to be exactly the way they are with more money and that's, I think, part of the attraction to Trump," Williams explained.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:28 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
Obama couldn't force the generals to invade Syria. Remember that.


The American people do not want to get involved in a ground war. We learned our lesson in Vietnam.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/opinion/will-syria-be-obamas-vietnam.html
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:



The American people do not want to get involved in a ground war. We learned our lesson in Vietnam.


What about Iraq? We made that place, "what it is today. Go America? Those IED's were of very little effect on our soldiers? PTSD was just a home warming gift for our soldiers? Do you think Donald will be able to restrain himself from such a temptation? Question
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:43 pm
@Builder,
Russia and Putin. You know tRumps hero.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:48 pm
@reasoning logic,
Bush wanted to show his power and Chaney wanted to make money. They both achieved their objectives. Wonder what war tRump will start so he will be elected for a 2nd term?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 01:53 pm
@RABEL222,
A war against misspelling.
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