When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

@maporsche,

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@ossobucotemp,

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@blatham,

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Obama's time as a community organizer and year in the Illinois legislature were certainly a better preparation for high office than Trump's experience building a business.
"Community organizer". The problem there is what exactly? You spit out the term as if it means communist or drug pusher. Or maybe some dude who sexually assaults women because he thinks his status gives him some right to do so.

I didn't spit anything out. You read the words I typed on a PC. You have no idea whatever of any overtones than might have accompanied them.

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But the seriously silly aspect of your comment is the omission of Obama's education in constitutional law (and everything else he learned on his way through his education). Trump, obviously, is the most incurious and poorly educated person to ever arrive in the WH. You can argue that's a good thing but that just makes you sound crazy.

Trump has a BS in Economics from the Wharton School in PA, so your last statement is obviously false.

Trump was elected by a large cross section of voters across the country, and despite massive funding and pervasive medias support, the annointed Democrat contended defeated herself through her own misdeeds and lying. Neither I nor any of my friends had anything to do with that.

I believe your comments reveal you to be far more uncritically credulous than you perhaps imagine. You also appear to be rather bitter about it all. That is disappointing.

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@georgeob1,

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Trump has a BS in Economics from the Wharton School in PA, ....

This really made me laugh, because I went to a state university in California, and know what will happen with Trump's economic actions. Tariffs on trade hurts everybody including Americans. It will destroy jobs in our country. Also, it'll hurt the poor and middle class the most by increasing the cost of goods and services.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/25/donald-trumps-trade-war-could-kill-millions-of-u-s-jobs/

Rather than giving me a thumb's down, why don't you explain why my opinion is wrong. Children at play.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

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Trump has a BS in Economics from the Wharton School in PA, ....

This really made me laugh, because I went to a state university in California, and know what will happen with Trump's economic actions. Tariffs on trade hurts everybody including Americans. It will destroy jobs in our country. Also, it'll hurt the poor and middle class the most by increasing the cost of goods and services.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/25/donald-trumps-trade-war-could-kill-millions-of-u-s-jobs/

Rather than giving me a thumb's down, why don't you explain why my opinion is wrong. Children at play.

Why would he put tariffs on american companies operating in china and india? As well as other places. There are more american companies in other countries than in the US. We just dont get the jobs. Instead we bolster other counties and buy shitty products they make. When was the last time you actually bought something made in the USA?

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@Krumple,

You really don't know? You think all our trading partners aren't going to retaliate with their own tariffs? Really?
What's more important is the loss of American jobs from Trump's tariffs.

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@glitterbag,

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I don't think so George, but I bet Sen Reid is kicking himself for vouching for James Comey.

I have no doubt that Senate Democrats now wish they had the filibuster option on judicial appointments. That was one of Harry Reid's " masterstrokes" along with refusing to bring budgets passed by the either up for debate or review by the Senate - and then blaming the House for deadlock and obstructionism. He got away with it all, but that too contributed to the disenchantment of voters with Washington and Trump's victory.

I believe that Hillary has only herself to blame for the debacle she created with the e mail server, her influence peddling, and the many lies she used in an ineffective effort to evade the consequences. Comey was no hero, but, unlike the Attorney General, he appeared to have some shame and regrets for the game he was required to play. Hillary is sore at him because he equivocated and didn't fully play the assigned game along with the others in the Administration. She certainly had a rather well develped sense of entitlement. It's history now.

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@cicerone imposter,

I didn't thumb you or anyone else. I don't think comparing academic credentials counts for much, but I too have a degree from California university - a PhD in Physics. Trump certainly is not what Blatham so blithely and (frankly) ignorantly described.

The fact is Trump wasn't at all specific on how he would accomplish his "better trade deals" and he didn't specify higher tariffs. Everyone during a campaign appears to forget that Presidents don't and can't make laws by themselves. Indeed only the Congress can propose or enact them.

There are many things politicians can do to harm the economy. High tariffs is one. Obama has done all the others, from rewarding not working to regulating business opportunities out of existence.

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@georgeob1,

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You also appear to be rather bitter about it all. That is disappointing.

"Bitter" is a bit of an understatement. Your side of the modern political equation in the US has gone completely ******* crazy and the damage that will likely be done to America (and beyond) as a consequence of this election frightens me profoundly.

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@blatham,

Well...there's always New Zealand...if you can put up with hingehead.

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@blatham,

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You also appear to be rather bitter about it all. That is disappointing.
"Bitter" is a bit of an understatement. Your side of the modern political equation in the US has gone completely ******* crazy and the damage that will likely be done to America (and beyond) as a consequence of this election frightens me profoundly.

Well, get over it - you will be happier for it. The sun will rise and set, and life will continue. It appears I place a greater weight on the complexity of life and people, and the unpredictability of human events than do you. There's a lot more to governance and leadership than just the nuances of policy. The wise men of the day thought Lincoln a dolt, same goes for Claudius in the 1st century. The wise men were wrong in both cases. Indeed any problem involving human behavior is far more complex than our feeble theories can capture, much less provide a basis for accurate forecasts of the future.

Hillary didn't stand for anything except the pursuit of power, and I think most people understood that. There really was a sense among many that things were not going well, notwithstanding the monotonous reassurance of the media and a largely deluded establishment. How do you explain Trump's audacious seizure of media attention; upset of the entire establishment of Republican contenders; and victory in an underfunded and under-organized campaign over an opponent with unprecedented establishment, media and financial support? Indeed how do you explain his presence of mind in the face of all the often vicious criticism and contempt? Was it clever calculation, intuitive gut level brilliance or blind luck? All three are possible, and the truth probably involves elements of each.

I believe an essential feature of wisdom and effective analysis is the ability (or habit) of questioning one's beliefs and assumptions when they don't lead to the expected results. This is such a moment.

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@georgeob1,

Trump has proved himself to be a racial bigot. This country needs leaders who treats everybody equally. His history bolds badly for all minorities.

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@cicerone imposter,

One could say that of Barack Obama as well.

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Let's consider this little peach of a statement

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“He'll spend a lot of time controlling the border. He may not spend very much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it. But it was a great campaign device,” Newt Gingrich, a Trump surrogate and former House speaker, told National Public Radio.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-11-14/how-trump-should-handle-recent-hate-speech
Gingrich is openly admitting that Trump was lying. But for Gingrich, that's just fine because it was a good strategy for votes.

To put a finer point on it, Gingrich is saying that making citizens stupider on purpose is the way for politicians to go.

Here's Glenn Kessler, fact checker for the WP

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There’s never been a presidential candidate like Donald Trump — someone so cavalier about the facts and so unwilling to ever admit error, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. As of Nov. 3, about 64 percent (59 of 92) of our rulings of his statements turned out to be Four Pinocchios, our worst rating. By contrast, most politicians tend to earn Four Pinocchios 10 to 20 percent of the time. (Moreover, most of the remaining ratings for Trump are Three Pinocchios.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/22/all-of-donald-trumps-four-pinocchio-ratings-in-one-place/

So the question becomes... When a political leader and his allies, seeking power, use purposeful deceits so often to fool or enrage citizens and when great masses of citizens find means to excuse such behaviors, at what point do you deem that the nation is actually a failed state?

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@blatham,

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So the question becomes... When a political leader and his allies, seeking power, use purposeful deceits so often to fool or enrage citizens and when great masses of citizens find means to excuse such behaviors, at what point do you deem that the nation is actually a failed state?

One could as well have said that if Hillary had won.

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@blatham,

"Fool me over and over, because I'll buy anything you want to lie about."
The American voter.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Is there any use in voting when lies win?

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@georgeob1,

george, I can assure you that there are no democrats disappointed that they behaved in an honorable fashion. Sen. Reid is a man of integrity, and sadly some people see integrity as a weakness, something to be exploited. Some (and we know who they are) fantasize that he feels defeated for adhering to the principles of decency and fairness.

But, democrats can't be republicans nor vice versa. I do find it disturbing that a persons reputation can be destroyed because someone dislikes them. It's actually more disappointing than disturbing. Too many people have become so appallingly lazy they will accept a rumor and not even ask one question to ascertain the validity. I'm uncomfortable seeing confederate flags being displayed again, I'm sick with grief over the glee of the KKK thinking the country is going to be returning to a shameful time in American history.

I have to believe that people like you and me will not knuckle under to nationalists, white supremacists and fascists just because we don't think Hillary Clinton is a nice person. I reject the verbiage that she is a liar, or a crook or wants to destroy this country.

george, i don't know if I hope Trump delivers to you whatever it is you want. I don't trust him, I just hope you and his other supporters keep him civilized and prevent him from ruining this country that accepted your folks and mine as immigrants and allowed us to florish and contribute to this country I love.

It's your lap now george, be an American.

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@georgeob1,

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One could say that of Barack Obama as well.

Jesus Christ george, you have gone way over the line. That remark is disgraceful and dishonors you. I apologize to anyone here who believed me when I spoke of george as an honorable person. Officer and gentleman went out the window some time back. But this is beyond the Pale, I just hope you are drunk and will retract this abominable remark in the morning. Strong message to follow

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@cicerone imposter,

Minorities have had it pretty bad under Obama's administration. Why did Black Lives Matter feel the need to rise from the ashes of extreme maltreatment and frustration in a do-nothing administration?

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@blatham,

I have a long list of Obama campaign promises that he vigorously made lies. I think we should talk about them.

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