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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 07:39 pm
@glitterbag,
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....some folks just don't have a clue


But the majority know the pointlessness of pretending they live in a democracy. The rest are just tireless flag-waving lunatics. Hi there.

Quote:
Americans now think more highly of cockroaches than of their Congress – as few as 20 per cent trust Washington to do what is right. But, instead of fighting for their own best interests, voters view the collapse and chaos as spectators, hostages to a process in which they have become powerless.

Polarisation is more toxic than ever and the two Americas literally can't stand each other – half of Republicans and a third of Democrats say they'd be unhappy if a son or daughter married someone from the other party.


Source
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 07:56 pm
More of DNC pizza news.

Builder
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 08:09 pm
@reasoning logic,
It's presumptious to make this connection.

Code is code, but it's made up as you go along.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 08:13 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
It's presumptious to make this connection.

Code is code, but it's made up as you go along.


That is how we learn to decode.

I just love learning all that I can from the DNC. I love listening to the Hitlary rallies as well.

At a Bernie campaign stump for Hillary Clinton at Iowa State University Hillary gets slammed by the speaker and the crowd agrees

Builder
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 08:19 pm
@reasoning logic,
The truth hurts the establishment.

They hate it with a passion.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 08:54 pm
@parados,
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Not in the case of the Federal government.

The FAM adopted similar requirements in 1995, by providing in pertinent part that: all employees must be aware that some of the variety of the messages being exchanged on email are important to the Department and must be preserved; such messages are considered Federal records under the law.[/b]
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So, there ya go . . .

In 1995, NARA amended the Code of Federal Regulations to confirm that “messages created or received on electronic mail systems may meet the definition of record.”
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Now let's see if the emails that Clinton both sent and received over her unsecured personal email server meets the definition of record.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton withheld from the State Department several emails related to Libya, the State Department confirmed Thursday night — calling into question her insistence that she has handed over her complete public record.

The 2016 Democratic front-runner did not hand over 15 exchanges with longtime Clinton ally Sidney Blumenthal on the security situation in the Middle Eastern nation. The existence of the new correspondence only came to light days ago after Republicans subpoenaed the former Clinton White House adviser’s records and he turned them over.

The chairman of the House committee, Trey Gowdy, Republican of South Carolina, said that many of the emails that Mrs. Clinton had not handed over showed that “she was soliciting and regularly corresponding with Sidney Blumenthal, who was passing unvetted intelligence information about Libya from a source with a financial interest in the country.”

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Yeah, I'd say that those emails qualify as records, which confirms that Clinton did not turn over all of her work related emails as she claimed

And besides, the regulations also referenced the use of electronic communications systems external to the Government, indicating that “agencies with access to external electronic mail systems shall ensure that Federal records sent or received on these systems are preserved in the appropriate recordkeeping system
.”

Not only did she fail to do so, but she also allowed classified information to pass through her unsecured private email server.

WASHINGTON Government investigators said Friday that they had discovered classified information on the private email account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used while secretary of state, stating unequivocally that those secrets never should have been stored outside of secure government computer systems.

Mrs. Clinton has said for months that she kept no classified information on the private server that she set up in her house so she would not have to carry both a personal phone and a work phone. Her campaign said Friday that any government secrets found on the server had been classified after the fact.

But the inspectors general of the State Department and the nation’s intelligence agencies said the information they found was classified when it was sent and remains so now. Information is considered classified if its disclosure would likely harm national security, and such information can be sent or stored only on computer networks with special safeguards
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And you never did respond to this . . . again and again:

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
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Do you agree that "intent" is not a prerequisite when assessing gross negligence? If you have no intentions of answering this, just let me know, and I will stop asking.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 09:04 pm
@giujohn,
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Hey...I've just been told in another thread that I am you/you are me...so I'm just checking...you are much more intelligent than parados and way better looking too...right?

Well yeah, I'm pretty sure you're me. But just to be sure, let me test you/us. What was the name of our favorite dog when we were nine years old?
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 09:05 pm
@reasoning logic,
Well what do ya expect they didn't give out any free Jay z tickets no wonder the were pissed!
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 11:42 pm
@giujohn,
Whom, or what, is Jay z?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 06:23 am
@Builder,
What do you think about the work Steve Pieczenik and others are doing?

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snood
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 06:25 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Whom, or what, is Jay z?


Google is your friend
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 06:39 am
@snood,
Quote:

Google is your friend



Is Steve Pieczenik is your new friend?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 07:11 am
Here's the story of the Trump "assassination attempt" (as Scavino and one of the Trump boys described it in a tweet) by a registered Republican holding a sign
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Crites, who said he was an inventor who works with high-altitude balloons, said the incident occurred after he walked toward the front of the stage to protest silently against Trump.

He confirmed witness descriptions of him moving through the crowd toward the front. However, he said he was not barging through but saying “Can I please come through, can I please come through”.

When he was near the front of the crowd, he said he silently held aloft his sign.

I had a sign that said ‘Republicans against Trump’. It is a sign that you can just print off online

Initially, there was the expected reaction of people around him booing, he said. “And then all of a sudden people next to me are starting to get violent; they’re grabbing at my arm, trying to rip the sign out of my hand,” he said.

He said he could not be sure but “it looked like” Trump was pointing at him, and may have been “instigating something”. Either way, the crowd piled on him, he said, kicking, punching, holding him on the ground and grabbing his testicles.

He said he was a wrestler in his youth and used his training to turn his head to the side to maintain an airway open as he was being choked by one man who had him in a headlock. “But there were people wrenching on my neck they could have strangled me to death,” he added.

Crites said when he was on the ground he heard someone yell “something about a gun” and he kept telling those on top of him that he had merely been holding a sign.

He was unaware, until the Guardian told him, that Trump had been ushered from the stage amid the mayhem.

For his part, Crites said he felt relieved when police arrived and placed him in handcuffs, but said officers had to fend off Trump supporters who continued to attack him. “As I was taken from the room, people are just looking at me like I’m a demon,” he said.
http://bit.ly/2ecSKko
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 07:20 am
@Glennn,
Brandy
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 07:22 am
@Builder,
Some foul mouthed rapper Billary used to gather a crowd to hear her bloviate
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 07:31 am
@blatham,
Trump Rushed Off Reno Stage After Someone Yells 'Gun,' No Weapon Found

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Donald Trump was rushed off stage by the Secret Service while delivering a speech in Reno, Nevada, Saturday night after someone in the crowd yelled "gun," the federal agency said. No weapon was found.

"Immediately in front of the stage, an unidentified individual shouted "gun". Secret Service agents and Reno Police Officers immediately apprehended the subject," the Secret Service said in a statement.

"Upon a thorough search of the subject and the surrounding area, no weapon was found," the statement said.


Meanwhile the contrast of Obama handling of protesters couldn't be more marked.

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Obama had just said Trump was unfit to lead the country when he was interrupted by a white-haired white man in a beret and suit jacket with what appeared to be military patches, who stood up in the stairwell of the bleachers, waving a Trump campaign sign.

The crowd turned its attention to the protester, screaming and booing at the man. Obama repeatedly told the irate crowd to "focus" and to "settle down."

"Everybody sit down and be quiet for a second!" Obama said. "You've got an older gentleman who is supporting his candidate," he said as the protester was led away.

"We live in a country that respects free speech," he said. "It looks like he might have served in our military – we’ve got to respect that."


source
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 08:24 am
@revelette2,
Isn't that a contrast. And to make it more acute, Trump described that interaction with Obama and protester/audience like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErsfIFPpDd0

God American right wing politics is fucked right now.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 08:37 am
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At the outset, [my uncle and aunt] supported Jeb!, then drifted to Rubio as Jeb flamed out. Finally to Cruz and/or Kasich. All the while, they hated Trump. They called him an incompetent, a moron, an imbecile. My aunt promised me point-blank "I will never vote for that idiot."
And then, at some point around the Convention, my aunt began posting soft pro-Trump messages—mostly in the form of digs against Hillary. These were mixed in with paradoxical articles with titles like "A Christian Case for Trump." (They're evangelical.)

When I confronted her and my uncle about her broken promise, she said "we're not voting for Trump, we're voting against Hillary." I think this is how many Republicans are justifying their awful choice. They'll never admit that they'd voted for such an historically terrible candidate, but will always frame it as voting against something. This logic completely frees them of any moral responsibility for Trump, and they can argue that they never supported his horrifying behavior.

Yet in order for this logic to make sense, Hillary has to be worse than Trump. So my aunt, normally a reasonable person, has bought into an increasingly perverse version of who Hillary is. Only a year ago, she told me how much she respected Hillary, despite their political differences. Now, Hillary's supposed crimes define her. And, by the logic, the crimes must be true, otherwise why would my aunt have voted for Trump?

I realize this is only one small case, but I think it may answer your question about how Republicans live with themselves.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/how-sensible-people-turn-trumper
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2016 09:37 am
@giujohn,
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Brandy

Yup, that was her name alright. So yes, you and I are the same poster.
 

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