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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:51 am
@snood,
Oh but you must know about the U.S. Code when it comes to classified information, right? And you must also understand Clinton's legal obligations under the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement she signed, right?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:52 am
@snood,
Share your secret information with Russia, and tell the FBI what you shared. I won't hold my breath.

Holding court means it's a legal matter.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/798
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/14/if-hillary-clinton-mishandled-classified-information-heres-what-it-could-mean/
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
https://www.google.com/search?q=law+against+mishandling+classified+info&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Snood, You had a secret clearance? LOL
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:06 pm
@Glennn,
Meanwhile, on the REAL national security front, Donald Trump has repeatedly announced that he wants to change America's policy from containing Russian totalitarian expansion, to one where the US and Russia will deal with each other from the point of "mutual shared interests". No defending freedom from Russian tanks. No working together with our NATO allies who have helped us defend Europe from totalitarian takeover for over 60 years. Just Putin and Don, talking things over and reaching an agreement what's best for the US-or what Donald thinks is best for the US-no muss, no fuss.

Russia sends tanks into Poland, Donald asks what's in it for us. Russia takes over Hungary, Donald wants Vladimir to tell him what he's going to do for him in return. Russia takes over the Czech Republic, Donald accepts a piece of the Czechs and calls it even. That's foreign policy under Trump. Don says, let's just get the deal done, screw everyone else in the world, and move on to the next thing. NATO? Eat my shorts.

That's what's going to be running the damn country. Got any answers, Glenn? Nope. You and the rest of the Trump brigade are moving away from discussing this so fast your tires are leaving skidmarks.

How about an answer on REAL national security issues, that haven't already been settled? Remember, your boy Trump didn't even know Russia invaded Ukraine.

Here's a little reminder of what we can enjoy reliving if Trump gets elected:
Hungary 1956:
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Hungary%201956%20pic%203_zpsekqv6i8m.jpg

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Hungary%201956%20pic%201_zpszoswhz00.jpg

Czechoslovakia 1968:
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Czechoslavakia%201968%20pic%202_zpslhbqst4m.jpg

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Czechoslavakia%201968%20pic%203_zpsnxkqcp7z.jpg

That's real national security issues we're dealing with here, Glenn. Not the stuff you want to divert attention to.



snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why is that funny?
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:18 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Why is that funny?


I don't understand CI at all. I think he may have split personalities.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:22 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
That's real national security issues we're dealing with here, Glenn. Not the stuff you want to divert attention to.

This thread concerns Hillary Clinton. You are the one attempting to divert attention from the discussion. Now why don't you answer my post instead of trying to bury it?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:22 pm
Looks like Blickers has taken over Chicken Little's job.

If war breaks out Blickers, find a conservative friend. They may have guns.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:34 pm
@snood,
You claimed you had a secret clearance, but didn't know there are laws against sharing information. You just seem ignorant about classified information and the laws about them. You asked, "what laws?"
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 12:44 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Remember, your boy Trump . . .

You assume so much. Trump is not my boy. I don't care for either Clinton or Trump.
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Builder
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 02:28 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
I don't understand CI at all. I think he may have split personalities.


You think changing your mind when you receive new information means you're crazy? I thought it meant that you're sane.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 02:49 pm
@Builder,
Thank you. At 81, I'm still learning.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 02:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You claimed you had a secret clearance, but didn't know there are laws against sharing information. You just seem ignorant about classified information and the laws about them. You asked, "what laws?"

The reason I asked what law she had broken is because the head of the FBI said she didn't break any laws after doing an exhaustive investigation of the emails, and her server. But there you are agreeing with Glenn that Hillary should be "punished". Anyone can look up regulations governing handling of classified and confidential information just like you - that doesn't make them any great authority. In fact you look air-headed and ignorant when you seem to be gladly drawn hither and yon by the latest headline. This latest kerfuffle hasn't even been established to involve Hillary's server or her emails - or HER.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 02:59 pm
@snood,
Quote:
But what almost nobody is questioning is whether the FBI director crossed the line, abusing his discretion and his power, by smearing Clinton in the press and interfering in a political campaign. The Department of Justice’s manual for federal prosecutors bars them from making statements about people who aren’t indicted.

“It goes beyond discretion,” said an ex-Connecticut public defender. “It’s completely improper when there’s not going to be a trial.”


https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RS21900.pdf

Prior to the New Deal, classification decisions were left to military regulation.1 In 1940, President Franklin Roosevelt issued an executive order authorizing government officials to protect information pertaining to military and naval installations.2 Presidents since that time have continued to set the federal government’s classification standards by executive order, but with one critical difference: while President Roosevelt cited specific statutory authority for his action, later Presidents have cited general statutory and constitutional authority.3
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 03:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From factcheck:
Was she allowed to use a private server?
No. As we wrote, the IG report said that it has been department policy since 2005 — four years before Clinton took office — that “normal day-to-day operations” be conducted on government servers. The report noted that the department’s Foreign Affairs Manual was updated in November 2005 to say “it is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [automated information system].” The IG made a distinction between occasional use in emergencies and exclusive use of personal email. “Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the Department revised the FAM and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not doing so,” the IG report said
Did Clinton seek government approval to use a private server for her personal email account?
No. The IG report said Clinton “had an obligation” to discuss her email system with the department, but it could find “no evidence” that Clinton sought approval for her unusual email arrangement. If she did, the report says her request would have been denied by the bureaus of Diplomatic Security and Information Resource Management. Brian Fallon, a Clinton campaign spokesman, has told us: “It did not occur to her that having it on a personal server could be so distinct that it would be unapproved.”
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 03:44 pm
@snood,
I've already shown that the hundred agents who did the actual investigation into Clinton's illegal use of her email server were unanimous in their judgement that she should be prosecuted. I've shown that her activities, as defined by the U.S. Code, are illegal. I've shown that Comey's remarks concerning what Clinton did was that she was extremely careless, which means grossly negligent.

Mrs. Clinton was entrusted with national-defense information and knew that working with such classified intelligence was a substantial part of her duties as secretary of state. Despite this knowledge, she willfully, and against government rules, set up a private, non-secure e-mail communication system for all of her government-related correspondence — making it inevitable that classified matters would be discussed on the system. This was gross negligence at best. And the easily foreseeable result is that classified intelligence was removed from its secure government repository and transmitted to persons not entitled to have it — very likely including foreign intelligence services that almost certainly penetrated Mrs. Clinton’s non-secure system. The penalty for violating this penal statute is up to ten years’ imprisonment for each individual violation. Mind you, there are already 1,600 reported instances of classified information being transmitted via the Clinton server system, and the latest indications are that at least twelve, and as many as 30, private e-mail accounts are known to have trafficked in our nation’s defense secrets. Many of these account holders were certainly not cleared for access to the information — and none of them was permitted to access it in a non-secure setting.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431254/hillary-clintons-e-mail-felony-violations-arent-stopping-her-running

Here's the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement she signed:

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HRC-classified-NDA1.pdf

Clinton received training in proper procedure concerning classified material, and she signed a Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement stating that she did indeed receive this training.

By signing this Agreement, Clinton also acknowledged that she understood that she was legally bound to the details of its content.

Clinton then ignored her legal obligations as stated in the Agreement she signed, and was grossly negligent.

Clinton was aware that the U.S. Code clearly condemns gross negligence, which describes gross negligence as exactly what she did.

Clinton violated the U.S. Code and the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement she signed.
______________________________________________________________________________

I have her actions, the U.S. Code that condemns her actions, and the classified information nondisclosure agreement she violated after signing.

So Comey came right out and said that she was grossly negligent. And then he basically says, "But I'm not going to do anything about it." As illogical as that is, it pales in comparison to unthinking people like yourself who, when faced with the facts of the issue, dishonestly appeal to your authority of choice (in this case, Comey) in order to maintain your faith that Clinton did not violate the U.S. Code and the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement she signed, acknowledging her legal obligation to follow protocol. You're easy, man.

And then you want to insult someone for looking at the facts and changing their mind about something.

Oh, and since when does someone being investigated for such a serious breach of trust get to decide which emails to turn over to the State Department, and which to not turn over? Doesn't raise any red flags for you? Really? Wouldn't it be great if when you get pulled over, and the cop smells the wrong kind of smoke, and then tells you to open your glove box, and you say to him, "Sure, but can you go back into your car while I first pull out the personal things that have nothing to do with what you smelled? Wouldn't that be great?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 04:22 pm
@Glennn,
why bother to correct another Lash clone? I've been here long enough to know the futility of posting facts to someone with a closed mind. Lordy, useing fox opinion network to try to prove a point. Lame!
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 04:25 pm
@Blickers,
Paris hell. I'd worry about the US of A with Putin as vice president.
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 04:38 pm
@RABEL222,
Still got those reds under your bed?
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