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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:16 pm
@Glennn,
And yet intent was the guideline used in the Petraus case, either a lot of people in high investigative authority are right or some anonymous guy named Glenn on the internet is right. Let me carefully consider this. Meanwhile, from a national security standpoint, we have the Manchurian candidate, Trump, preparing to install Putin's foreign policy on NATO-disband it-which will basically gift-wrap Europe over to Russia militarily while you try to play legal expert on already settled matters.

Elect Trump and prepare to see the Russian tanks entering Paris in the three years.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, the Republican-controlled Congress would stand up to Trump.
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:23 pm
@Blickers,
Well if you want to go that route, having been properly trained in the handling of classified material, Clinton intentionally violated the U.S. Code by deliberately using her personal email exclusively for government business. Having done so, how is it possible that she thought no classified information would be sent or received?

“In his statements before Congress, Director Comey repeatedly assured us that the FBI investigated whether charges of obstruction of justice and intentional destruction of records were merited,” the chairmen of three House committees and a Senate committee complained last week in a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch. “The facts of this investigation call those assertions into question.”

Congress has now obtained letters detailing unprecedented immunity agreements and side deals with multiple witnesses in the case — including one in which Comey agreed to prevent his investigators from reviewing any emails from Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills to Clinton’s server administrator Paul Combetta generated in late 2014 and early 2015. The off-limits correspondence, the chairmen point out, could reveal information “directing the destruction or concealment of federal records.”

Astonishingly, before Comey agreed to the June side deal with Mills’ attorney, he “already knew of the conference calls between Secretary Clinton’s attorneys and Mr. Combetta, his use of BleachBit, and the resulting deletions, further casting doubt on why the FBI would enter into such a limited evidentiary scope of review.”

In other words, Comey never really investigated Clinton and her aides for obstruction of justice, as he claimed. Lacking access to key evidence, he couldn’t have explored the possibility, though the circumstances were beyond suspicious.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/12/did-the-fbi-chief-lie-to-congress-about-the-hillary-email-probe/
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:24 pm
@Kolyo,
Do you really believe congress will fund a war that Trump starts? The guy who claims he knows more than the generals? Really?
No wonder Trump has so many supporters.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes, I do. They did it for Dubya.

Google "Paul Ryan Trump" and find out what happens to Republicans who don't support their current leader.

Anyway, who said anything about him "starting a war"? Blickers talks mainly about him ignoring Russian aggression. He won't start a war. That isn't what people are worried about.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:33 pm
@Kolyo,
Trump said, "if we have nukes, we should be able to use them." Trump is a loose cannon. He is unfit to be CIC.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/
Kolyo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 09:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hmm...

Yeah, I forgot about that. It's hard to keep track of what he says from one day to the next. Crying or Very sad

But ultimately, even if he's ready to go nuclear in the case of war, I don't see him starting one. I just don't. What's the motive?

I've always thought of him as more of an isolationist than a neo-con. Abandoning NATO, and abandoning Japan -- that's isolationism. That's his flaw. I don't think he'd attack anyone militarily.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 10:39 pm
@Kolyo,
Look this up.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-isis-terrorism-war-foreign-policy-military-2016-10?client=safari
Kolyo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 11:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Wow. That certainly looks like proof he wants to start a war.

Hurray.

Getting older isn't always fun, but I'm glad I'm in my 30's, rather than typical draft age.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 11:10 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
In other words, Comey never really investigated Clinton and her aides for obstruction of justice, as he claimed.


Looks like Comey is having second thoughts on this....

(quote) In a stunning move, the FBI has divulged that it has obtained new information in its investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

FBI Director James Comey sent an Oct. 28 letter to House and Senate committee chairs and ranking members to notify them that additional emails deemed “pertinent to the investigation” surfaced in another, unrelated, case.

“I’m writing to inform you that the investigative team briefed me on this yesterday and I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as their importance to our investigation,” Comey said in the letter. (end quote)

Source

And apparently this has given the prez a whole new schedule, re Clinton's campaign events.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2016 11:59 pm
@Glennn,
Comey is FBI, which is executive branch. The partisan Republicans-all House and Senate committee heads must be Republican-can expel all the hot gas to the Post they want, the investigation was done by the FBI. What the partisan hacks think doesn't matter. They are of course free to start investigations if they want, to add to all the other eight investigations of Hillary and Benghazi which found nothing. Especially the one run by Trey (Fat Mouth) Gowdy which advertised startling revelations but came up with exactly zilch-after grillling Hillary for eleven hours.

There had to be intent, Comey didn't just say this but the investigator in charge of the Petraeus case as well. Those two count for 100 times more than Republican politicians sounding off in Rupert Murdoch's rag.

Meanwhile, Trump continues to be the apple of Vladimir Putin's eye, sticking to his threats to disband NATO-threats which, even if they are not followed through, already serve to weaken the unified bond which has made NATO so effective since the end of WWII. NATO has been 100% effective in keeping totalitarians from advancing in Europe, in fact it's been more than 100% effective because NATO's unity is big factor in the collapse of the Soviet Union which caused Russia to let the Eastern European Empire go. So before NATO's formation, Russia essentially occupied all of Eastern Europe and was threatening the West. NATO not only put a stop to Russian expansionism it also now protects the very Eastern European nations that were under Russia's thumb when NATO began. That's even better than 100% efficiency. And Trump wants to scrap this, and replace America's commitment to stopping totalitarian expansionism with a policy of "shared mutual interests" with Russia. Trump said this, more than once. Which means that Trump plans to ****-can NATO and if Russia invades Poland, Hungary or the Czech Republic, instead of doing anything to stop Russia, he'll ask Russia what they'll give the US in return.

Trump is a Manchurian candidate who has said he will install Vladimir Putin's preferred foreign policy if elected.
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 03:12 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
There had to be intent, Comey didn't just say this but the investigator in charge of the Petraeus case as well.


Intent to do what, exactly? When you are in the role she was in, you're not "unaware" of the risks involved with what she did. She'd have a staff of advisers, right?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 03:56 am
Russia won't send tanks into Paris without facing a nuclear strike. Paris and London are both nuclear powers and wouldn't hesitate to use them if Russia invaded.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 04:03 am
Btw, Paxman, (retired BBC journo, now free to speak his mind,) was on The Last Leg last night. He said it's all a load of bollocks, the FBI sifted through thousands of emails and couldn't find any evidence of criminal wrongdoing. No they've come across a few more while investigating that Weiner bloke who keeps texting pictures of his cock to women. The chances of them finding anything are highly unlikely.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 08:50 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
Comey is FBI, which is executive branch.

You were shown that the agents who did the investigation disagreed with Comey. Unless you think that Fox just made up quotes from the source they verified. Do you believe there's a conspiracy to trash Comey? The fact is that Clinton violated the U.S. Code concerning classified material.

I believe the statement that Comey made is valid.

Comey said: "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgement is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case," and then added, "prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past."

He said no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Actually that statement is not valid. Either he lied, or he is unaware of a case from a year ago in which the FBI charged Bryan Nishimura, a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, with unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials. And he did so without malicious intent. That's what Hillary did.

This is from Section 793 of the U.S. Code
:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
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So go ahead and point out the "intent" clause in that Code if you would. I can't find it. You said that there has to be intent concerning gross negligence. The legal definition of gross negligence is extreme carelessness. Even common sense tell you that deliberate gross negligence in such a case as Clinton's would be something akin to treason.

And here is what Comey said about Hillary Clinton's actions:

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

"There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."

"None of these emails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these emails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at agencies and departments of the United States government -- or even with a commercial email service like Gmail."

"Only a very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked 'classified' in an email, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it."

"We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent."

"She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account."

__________________________________________________________________________________

Hillary Clinton was grossly negligent. What does the statute say about that?
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Douglas Cox, a law professor at City University of New York who studies records preservation said that the argument that Clinton complied with the letter and spirit of the law is unsustainable. He said that the fact that Clinton's staff--rather than a State Department federal records officer--chose which emails to destroy is "honestly breathtaking." Her private employees don't have the authority to decide what does or doesn't count as a federal record. Further, when she was making these choices, she was acting as a private citizen, not a government employee.
__________________________________________________________________________

She received training on how, and how not, to handle sensitive material, and signed a document binding her legally to the details of that document. What baseless excuse would you like to make for her?
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:23 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
And yet intent was the guideline used in the Petraus case, either a lot of people in high investigative authority are right or some anonymous guy named Glenn on the internet is right.

Why is it that when confronted with the fact that intent is not part of the equation when it comes to what constitutes gross negligence according to the U.S. Code, you believe that the mention of Petraus somehow changes this fact?

According to court documents, former CIA Director David Petraeus was prosecuted for sharing intelligence from special access programs with his biographer and mistress Paula Broadwell. At the heart of his prosecution was a non-disclosure agreement where Petraeus agreed to protect these closely held government programs, with the understanding “unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention or negligent handling … could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation.” Clinton signed an identical non-disclosure agreement Jan. 22, 2009.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/petraeus_prosecuted__why_not_hillary.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:29 am
@Glennn,
I agree with you that Hillary broke the law, and should pay for her crime. She knew the rules and the consequences, and ignored them. No excuse.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:30 am
@cicerone imposter,
What law?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:32 am
@snood,
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
I was in the US Air Force and had a Top Secret security clearance. Those in our specialty knew the laws concerning our Top Secret clearance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_security_breaches
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2016 11:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
I had a Secret clearance in the Army. Whoop -de- doo. You cut and pasted some impressive looking regulations about revealing classified information. My question remains. What law did Hillary break?
 

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