When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

That was why it I said it was cut off, it was purposely misleading and meant only defame her without truth to it. Typical of the poster. And Blickers is right, some people do not seem to question anything. I mean just looking at the video without any context it is obvious the thing was cut off, so the video is suspect on it's own for that reason.

Yet you probably believe that Trump wants any woman who has an abortion to be punished. Because of a quick clip meant to defame him with no context.

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@snood,

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I cheered when bin Laden died, and I'm not ashamed of that. The cheers about his death were not so much celebration of death, but of vindication for 3000 innocent people wiped out on 9/11.And if I'm going to be honest about it - it was some small vindication for a president who was and is criticized non-stop for being weak.

I felt good when they got bin Laden too, but it was a little mixed. I'm old enough to remember as a kid when the Israelis grabbed Adolph Eichmann, the architect of the Nazi Holocaust, from his hiding place in South America and brought him back to Israel for trial. Here's a guy who engineered not only the murder of millions but did it in a genocidal manner, but the Israelis still thought he deserved a trial.

So when Obama announced-to snickers from his opponents-that he intended to capture and kill bin Laden, I was hoping that we would instead take him alive like the Israelis did with Eichmann. I'm not going to get too choked up about it, because bin Laden had it coming, but I wished they done it by the books and brought him in.

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@McGentrix,

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Yet you probably believe that Trump wants any woman who has an abortion to be punished. Because of a quick clip meant to defame him with no context.

He was asked if abortion was illegal should women be punished, he said yes there should be form of punishment. Context was very clear and it included Trump's exceptions. Matthews was talking those outside of the exceptions what should be result of a ban on abortion in Trump's view.

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MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?

TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

MATTHEWS: For the woman.

TRUMP: Yeah, there has to be some form.

MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?

TRUMP: I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don’t know.

MATTHEWS: Why not?

The rest at the source

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@McGentrix,

Quote McGentrix:

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Yet you probably believe that Trump wants any woman who has an abortion to be punished. Because of a quick clip meant to defame him with no context.

Okay, here's five minutes of Trump dealing with the issue. At the two minute eight second mark, he finally agrees that the woman has to be punished, something he repeats throughout. You be the judge.

WARNING: This interview was carried out on MSNBC. We know from your previous posts that you are allergic to watching anything from that channel, but since it is probably necessary to discuss this issue, take some Benadryl and try to do the right thing and get through it somehow. It won't be easy, but we know you're made of tough stuff.

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@Blickers,

I remember saying I'm glad they got him, or something similar on a2k at the time, but 'why not a trial?' was mixing around in my mind too and has stayed there since. I get it would have been difficult at the least, and I'm no way a sympathizer of Bin Laden et al, but I still see it as a question.

I do see snood's point re the action being vindication for the US and and for Obama - in the US, if not for the rest of the world - at the time. I don't take the middle east as a monolith though, and I've no idea if a trial would have stirred up less or more US hating than taking Bin Laden out fast did.

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@Blickers,

Several hours later -- after widespread condemnation from Trump's presidential rivals and even leading anti-abortion groups -- he walked back his remarks, releasing a statement in which he said that women who obtain abortions are victims and that doctors who perform the service are the ones who should be punished.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/donald-trump-abortion-town-hall/

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@snood,

This must be that 'consistency' that Trump voters seem to value so much (or at least hate Hillary for "lacking").

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@ossobucotemp,

No offense to you and Blickers but it is just silly to think they could have gotten Bin Laden out and held a trial for him. Number one, I don't think he would have allowed himself to taken alive, but he might have. If he had, Bin Laden was sitting pretty all the that time in Pakistan (the government had to know it). Just think of the legal and diplomatic hurdles and problematic to AQ sympathizers the Pakistani government would have faced had they tried to take him out of country and held on trial if they would have even done it all? Much easier all around the way it went down and he was responsible for killing over 3000 people in a single day plus destroying lives and families.

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@snood,

So Trump is asked a question, in the middle of his Presidential campaign, about a major issue that at times has dominated the country for the past 30 years and what happens? He makes up his answer as he goes along, and then has to totally retract a few hours later.

Can you imagine what would happen to this guy if he ever had to face a cunning bastard like Putin in a one-on-one negotiation? Putin would own him.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

So Trump is asked a question, in the middle of his Presidential campaign, about a major issue that at times has dominated the country for the past 30 years and what happens? He makes up his answer as he goes along, and then has to totally retract a few hours later.

Can you imagine what would happen to this guy if he ever had to face a cunning bastard like Putin in a one-on-one negotiation? Putin would own him.

No argument from me there. I think Trump's a POS not fit to serve as mayor of a small town - much less as POTUS.

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@revelette2,

Good find on the transcript.

Trump is saying that if abortion were illegal, and it is not, that a person committing a crime would be punished. You have a problem with punishing law breakers?

Again, were Trump a smooth talking politician he could have given a great non-answer like Hillary would if she were ever put under pressure by someone in the media (like that would ever happen!).

He walked back the answer he gave when put on the spot and he is in no position, at this time, to have any effect on abortion rights, abortion laws or abortion policy.

What difference does it make now?

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Good find on the transcript.

Trump is saying that if abortion were illegal, and it is not, that a person committing a crime would be punished. You have a problem with punishing law breakers?

Again, were Trump a smooth talking politician he could have given a great non-answer like Hillary would if she were ever put under pressure by someone in the media (like that would ever happen!).

He walked back the answer he gave when put on the spot and he is in no position, at this time, to have any effect on abortion rights, abortion laws or abortion policy.

What difference does it make now?

Trump has talked about making abortion illegal though.

Trump want's abortion to be illegal.
When abortion becomes illegal in his perfect world, he wants the woman to be punished for it (or he did before his handlers told him to say something different...very politician like, right??)

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Trump has talked about making abortion illegal though.

Trump want's abortion to be illegal.
When abortion becomes illegal in his perfect world, he wants the woman to be punished for it (or he did before his handlers told him to say something different...very politician like, right??)

Abortion should be illegal however; when it was there were a lot if desperate women dying from botched illegal abortions. By changing the laws you dont save lives, you just shift who dies.

It should be illegal but made available for rape victims or if a doctor determines the pregnacy to be high risk.

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@McGentrix,

are you voting for Trump?

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@Krumple,

Abortion should be the choice of the woman and her doctor. The outsider who wants to control her body and her choice is not interested in the raising of a child until they become self sufficient. Put up their money or STFU.
The cost to raise a child until the age of 18 is over $318,000.

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@McGentrix,

Quote McGentrix:

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Trump is saying that if abortion were illegal, and it is not, that a person committing a crime would be punished. You have a problem with punishing law breakers?

Trump was asked what he thought the law should be on abortion, and he answered that it should be illegal. And then a moment later Trump said that women should be punished for breaking the law against abortion, if abortion is made illegal.

So yes, Trump said he would wait for abortions to actually become illegal first before punishing women for getting them. And you expect that he should get credit for advocating waiting for abortion to actually become illegal before punishing women who get abortions?

Quote McGentrix:

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Again, were Trump a smooth talking politician he could have given a great non-answer like Hillary would if she were ever put under pressure by someone in the media (like that would ever happen!).

Hillary will give you a straight answer about abortion, she believes it is the woman's right. And since abortion has been a major issue since Reagan became president, there is no excuse for a man running for office to be caught off guard with a simple question about what the abortion laws should be.

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Looks like Trump's getting ready to have other things to worry about. They just unearthed audio of him on a radio show in 2006 saying things like "If you're famous, you can do whatever you want to a woman" , bragging about trying hard to sleep with a married woman, and worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Looks like Trump's getting ready to have other things to worry about. They just unearthed audio of him on a radio show in 2006 saying things like "If you're famous, you can do whatever you want to a woman" , bragging about trying hard to sleep with a married woman, and worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

Hillary can change right? She was against gay marriage rights but now she's okay with it. Being this up and leftists get annoyed. Hillary changed get over it.

However;

Trump 10 years ago made sexist comments, they are valid right? Trump will never change but Hillary can.

Silly pointing out leftist double standards in their beliefs or reasoning to justify them.

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@revelette2,

I know all that, the difficulties, which is why I said it would be hard at the least. I am well aware of 911 and the sorrow of it.

I don't know that bringing matters to trial is silly as a United States custom; certainly many trials have aspects of pure silly or rigged to start with, in the US and the rest of the world, literally forever. I think the concept is still important, especially recently.

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@snood,

Chihuahua! as we used to say, as in, how can it be?
I don't remember where we got that as a saying, maybe Pancho and Cisco, back in the day. I think of it as a word for astonishment, or if not complete astonishment, semi surprised that what I figured does seem to be true.

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