I don't remember her saying those exact words either.
I find it extremely sad that the people who are expected to be our next leaders are so out of touch with morality. To be fair we all have this grave problem and that is why we have the two choices that most people will choose without ever knowing that there is a lady who cares about everyone. Her name is Dr Jill Stein.
I do dream that one day others will join us and come to the understanding that we all have a serious problem understanding ethics.
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Thu 6 Oct, 2016 05:52 pm
@ossobucotemp,
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I don't remember her saying those exact words either.
I looked it up to verify. It looks legit to me.
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Thu 6 Oct, 2016 05:53 pm
@revelette2,
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Oh, please, what a cut off video.
But it was reported from several different outlets the same way.
There was a lot of that sort of talk going around at that time. The specific details of Muammar Gaddafi and his son's death are horrific and terrible. But I don't think for a second Secty Clinton had an implicet hand in it. I imagine that having a crack at a living Gaddafi was more valuable to Mrs Clinton and US national aims than one Gaddafi dead of horrific means.
There was a lot of that sort of talk going around at that time. The specific details of Muammar Gaddafi and his son's death are horrific and terrible. But I don't think for a second Secty Clinton had an implicet hand in it. I imagine that having a crack at a living Gaddafi was more valuable to Mrs Clinton and US national aims than one Gaddafi dead of horrific means.
Well, that's fine, but let's not make ourselves guilty of wearing horse blinders if she legitimately displayed some ugly behavior. If the short video is actually showing her reaction to Gadaffi's death (and I don't know for certain it is), it is not something to be proud of.
I may have described it on a2k back in the days of the Gaddafi saga, since I was put off by her glee about his death; if I remember, it was an ugly one, in a culvert or similar. Long time ago now, so don't trust me. I just remember my displeasure at the time. Not that I was all for him, but...
and yes I know, war is hell. And bringing someone to trial costs money.. but I found it unsettling.
I dont remember Hillary shooting Gaddafi. I thought it was some of his contrymen. And Hillary wasent the only politician crowing about killing him until the poop hit the fan in Libya.
I dont remember Hillary shooting Gaddafi. I thought it was some of his contrymen. And Hillary wasent the only politician crowing about killing him until the poop hit the fan in Libya.
It was his countrymen, but Russians are doing their best to pass around the idea that is was Hillary who ordered it.
Some people will believe anything, as long as somebody points them to it.
Some people will believe anything, as long as somebody points them to it.
Just in case you're including me in those "some people"...
I just said that if the video of Hillary laughing about Qaddafi being killed is authentic, it depicts behavior I think is ugly. I didn't think or say anything about who ordered the assassination, or anything else.
In any case, she's miles and miles saner than Trump, so she gets my vote.
Which is exactly how it's all supposed to pan out. Trump is an actor. As our old friend George Carlin famously stated; "It's a big club, and we ain't in it".
The scare factor is what'll tip Clinton over the line. Sad reflection on democracy, in anyone's book.
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 01:35 am
@Blickers,
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Some people will believe anything, as long as somebody points them to it.
Yeah, Putin has his hands all over this mess, right?
US foreign policy, particularly in, (though not limited to) the middle east, has a long history of appalling behaviour.
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 06:32 am
@snood,
Quote Blickers:
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It was his countrymen [who killed Qaddafi], but Russians are doing their best to pass around the idea that is was Hillary who ordered it.
Some people will believe anything, as long as somebody points them to it.
Quote snood:
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I just said that if the video of Hillary laughing about Qaddafi being killed is authentic, it depicts behavior I think is ugly. I didn't think or say anything about who ordered the assassination, or anything else.
My post was not aimed at you or the people who did not like the video of Mrs. Clinton's reaction, although I think that was a truncated video. My post was aimed at people who said she ordered the assassination, an which the organized Russian internet propaganda industry, based in St. Petersburg, Russia, is pushing. Videos like this:
By the way, Qadaffi had been piling the bodies up high in Libya for forty years. Sorry to seem coarse, but when a bloodthirsty dictator gets it from his own countrymen, I just can't regard that as a terribly remorseful happening, (although I much prefer Qaddafi was brought in for trial). The Libyans who captured him didn't see it that way, though.
I didn't say she killed him herself. At the time, I followed the whole thing closely, and I too am not just 'some people'.
just saw you last post, thanks for clarifying.
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 08:28 am
@Blickers,
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Sorry to seem coarse, but when a bloodthirsty dictator gets it from his own countrymen, I just can't regard that as a terribly remorseful happening,
Again, by implication you suggest someone here is saying it would be a terribly remorseful thing, and no one has said that. For myself, I was referring to it not being a good look for an American statesman (statesperson?) to be laughing about a killing - no matter who was killed.
I do believe that Hillary was speaking in an ironic tone when she said that, that she was mocking the idea that she had anything to do with Qaddaffi's death. I believe the video was cut short purposely not to show that Hillary entered that interview room not even knowing that Qaddafi had been found and captured, let alone killed. I don't mind a leader speaking in an ironic tone about a terrible, murdering man who finally got his, even though it would have been preferable to bring him in to face trial.
The unfortunate thing is, with just an 11 second clip and no context from prior to, or after what's in the video - it's impossible to know exactly what her intent was. It would be helpful to know for certain what she knew at that moment about Qaddafi's capture and death.
That was why it I said it was cut off, it was purposely misleading and meant only defame her without truth to it. Typical of the poster. And Blickers is right, some people do not seem to question anything. I mean just looking at the video without any context it is obvious the thing was cut off, so the video is suspect on it's own for that reason.
As you know I don't have any great love for Hillary Clinton or any pride in whatever hand the US had in his end.
This whole nation took a glee in Gaddafi, Saddam, and bin Laden's endings that was highly unseemly.
I cheered when bin Laden died, and I'm not ashamed of that. The cheers about his death were not so much celebration of death, but of vindication for 3000 innocent people wiped out on 9/11.And if I'm going to be honest about it - it was some small vindication for a president who was and is criticized non-stop for being weak.
