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Will Donald Trump Be Afraid To Debate Hillary Clinton?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 06:06 am
@snood,
I think Lester Holt is probably the smartest person in most of the rooms he enters. A good choice and no pushover.
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snood
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 06:20 am
@georgeob1,
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You're swinging at issues of your own creation, not any points I made. Why do you feel compelled to do this?


Hardly “my own creation”. This is what you wrote:

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And a really good moderator will cut off the dialogue when the Democrat candidate stumbles as occurred in Obama's last debate with Romney.


Insinuating that the moderator acted in a way that hurt Romney and helped Obama in the last Romney/Obama debate. If one follows that insinuation to a logical conclusion, it would suggest that the outcome of the debate was influenced by moderator bias that favored Obama.

I responded sarcastically…

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Yeah, that darn moderator is what lost Romney that debate - certainly not a superior performance by Obama. Couldn't be that.


…to directly contradict your suggestion that something the moderator did - not Obama's clear dominance of that debate - was what made Romney look bad .
The confusion here is not due to my response, but to your (characteristic) equivocation. Out of one side of your mouth you allow:

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He lost it on his own,


Then out of the other side you squeak:

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We'll never know how things might have turned out had this not occurred.


You seem to be saying both that the moderator fingered the scale for Obama, but that Romney lost it on his own – both of which might be true, but it is a summation that left out the little incidental fact that Obama kicked Romney’s butt in that debate by all objective recounts.

You felt compelled to remark that the moderator acted with bias.
So I felt compelled to add that Obama won that debate by outperforming Romney.

I'm pretty sure this won't convince you of anything, because you righties are very invested in maintaining an upside down view of things. It's an insane insistence on defending wrongness. Like ignoring that the blatantly clear driving factor in the current presidential election is the fact that the right is running a ridiculous and ridiculously toxic candidate. Not anything about the Democratic candidate, the debate moderators or the price of tea in China.

izzythepush
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 06:59 am
@snood,
Romney looked bad because he's an idiot. His electioneering here was a disaster, he slagged off the Olympics which were incredibly successful and ended up universally hated throughout the UK.
giujohn
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 08:30 am
@izzythepush,
Uh...yeah at this point it would probably help a Republican candidate to get elected over here if everybody in the UK hated hated him... Like I said you all over there in Britain need to get over yourselves... The sun does now set on the "British Empire".
izzythepush
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 11:43 am
@giujohn,
You really are losing it. Try to keep some bloody dignity, at least try to sound like you can address the issues, even if you don't understand them.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 12:11 pm
An article I liked, from the Los Angeles Times -

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-0904-lopez-taco-trucks-trump-20160902-snap-story.html

This brings back many fond taco truck memories to my taco truck missing self.
Also, memories of the LA Times I used to read often, and of Steve Lopez's columns, which I remember usually enjoying.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 4 Sep, 2016 04:16 am
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/0/7/Hillary-Trump-Debate-Prep.jpg
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snood
 
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Sun 4 Sep, 2016 09:54 pm
Well, Trump's definitely got one moderator in his favor. Chris wallace announced that it's "Not his job" to call the debaters on their lies. "I do not believe that it's my job to be a truth squad. It's up to the other person to catch them on that."

Fox News. Wotta piece 'a work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chris-wallace-presidential-debate_us_57ccc67ce4b0a22de0967652?ybxyb9rh39dqs38fr
roger
 
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Sun 4 Sep, 2016 10:10 pm
@snood,
I don't know. Would you have the moderators become part of the debate? Beyond keeping the debaters to the questions asked, I mean.
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 01:55 am
@snood,
I dont think Hillary will have any trouble pointing out his lies. The problem will come with the moderator having the guts to tell him to shut up, he has had his time.
roger
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:18 am
@RABEL222,
That's pretty much my opinion.

ETA: I think it will be much easier on the moderators that they aren't having to stifle a sitting president.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:25 pm
@snood,
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"I do not believe that it's my job to be a truth squad.


Well, the SCOTUS ruled Fox can refer to itself as a "News Organization" without any responsibility to use facts or truth.

Chris Wallace is a putz.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:27 pm
@RABEL222,
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The problem will come with the moderator having the guts to tell him to shut up, he has had his time.


Or forcing Hillary to waste time pointing out the lies and not having time enough to be able to explain her agenda.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:30 pm
@roger,
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they aren't having to stifle a sitting president.


Are you referring to President Obama or W?????
snood
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I really don't feel like the debates are a time to get too much in the weeds about policy. She needs to have her policies distilled into television-friendly chunks that are clear and mark a clear contrast between herself and Trump's garbledy-gook mish-mash of "ideas".
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:33 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
36% of Trump's statements are true or mostly true. 64% are lies.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Anybody wishing to guess what statements are true will have a hell of a time trying to figure out what's true and what are lies.
Why even bother with Trump?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:35 pm
@snood,
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I really don't feel like the debates are a time to get too much in the weeds about policy.


Not if it establishes Hillary isn't in the weeds and that tRump owns the whole weed field.

I don't think it helps her if her campaign starts to look like its whole purpose is to follow tRump's setting the issues. She needs to get in front of the argument.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 02:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Re: bobsal u1553115 (Post 6261393)
36% of Trump's statements are true or mostly true.


I'm shocked his "truth" quotient is so high.

But if he makes a lie he needs to be called out on the lie without allowing it to look like an honest disagreement.
farmerman
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 03:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
waaaiiiit a minit, CI has been saying that 91% of TRUMPS utterances are LIES
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 04:08 pm
@farmerman,
Inflation. Its biting everybody's butt.
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