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Will Donald Trump Be Afraid To Debate Hillary Clinton?

 
 
maporsche
 
  6  
Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:03 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Well, you have to admit it's quite a feat to pull off being weak and ineffectual at the same time as being a dictatorial tyrant.


And you forgot that he is also a radical Christian (see Jeremiah Wright controversy) at the same time as being a Muslim. Quite a feat indeed.
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giujohn
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Let me tell you how it works...Obama wants to maintain his legacy therefore he has to hold his nose and help Hillary get elected...with Hillary comes Bill to the tarmac at the airport where he commands an audience with Obama's Attorney General and the deal is made...she then gives marching orders to the director of the FBI and badda bing badda boom Hillary is off the hook... For the naive, that's how it works.
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:33 pm
@snood,
You just described a dictatorial tyrant. They can't lead like a real leader, so they just make the laws as they go along. When they don't get their way they decree what they want done, hence the phone and the pen and passing so many EO's and EA's.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 02:17 pm
@oralloy,
You don't know anything about the Second Amendment. If you're not a criminal or don't have the mental capacity to own a gun, you can still buy as many as your petty heart desires.

From the Independent:
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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are like bookends marking the divide that exists in the U.S. today on gun issues.
Trump casts himself as an ardent protector of the Second Amendment and proclaims that if more "good guys" were armed with firearms there would be fewer gun tragedies. He even went a step further than the National Rifle Association after the Orlando nightclub shooting, suggesting that if it weren't a gun-free zone, a patron would have been able to stop the bloodshed. (The NRA, while supporting Trump, said it's not a good idea to allow firearms where alcohol is being served.)
Trump also has vowed that on his first day as president he would end gun-free zones at schools and on military bases. He also supports reciprocity among all 50 states for concealed-carry permits.
Clinton, whose husband as president successfully pushed for a 10-year ban on assault-type weapons, has advocated renewing that ban. She's also called for measures to ensure background checks are completed before a gun sale goes forward, mandating such checks for gun-show sales and repealing a law that shields gun manufacturers from liability.
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WHY IT MATTERS
The next president will get to nominate at least one member of a Supreme Court that's closely divided on how to read the Second Amendment, and the next Congress will continue to confront gun-rights issues.
Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in February and will be replaced by a nominee from the next president, was the decisive vote in a Washington, D.C., case in which the court on a 5-4 vote affirmed the right of individuals to own handguns for self-defense.
Whatever gun policies a Clinton or Trump administration were to pursue would probably be challenged, and Scalia's replacement could be the pivotal vote. This year alone, for example, the court sided with gun control advocates to rule that people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes can be barred from owning weapons, and also rejected challenges to assault weapon bans in Connecticut and New York.
A recent AP-GfK Poll found the highest levels of support for restrictions on guns since the question was first asked in 2013. That's a sharp departure from the past two presidential election years, when gun issues were largely absent from the campaigns.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Mon 17 Oct, 2016 02:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Clinton, whose husband as president successfully pushed for a 10-year ban on assault-type weapons, has advocated renewing that ban. She's also called for measures to ensure background checks are completed before a gun sale goes forward, mandating such checks for gun-show sales and repealing a law that shields gun manufacturers from liability.


A ban on assault rifles, there is no such thing as an assault rife, is still a restriction on the 2nd Amendment. The last one didn't do anything to curb gun violence since the majority of gun violence is done by pistols and not "assault rifles".

A vast majority of states already have background checks for gun shows, besides this should be done on a state by state basis, no reason for the feds to get involved. Here in CO you get a background check done at gun shows. Private sales should be a different matter.

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repealing a law that shields gun manufacturers from liability.

This has to be the biggest lie so far. There is no such thing as them being released from liability. What Clinton dodges around is that fact that people can't sue gun manufactures when someone uses their gun in an criminal manner, such as a mass shooting. She wants people to be able to sue the manufacture. Should we make the same changes to the laws for cars or any other product that is sold? Someone goes on a spree of running people over with a truck and the truck manufacture gets sued for it?

What does happen is this: if the gun was produced and blows up in your face while using it and injuries you, then you can still sue for liability for a faulty product.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 02:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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If you're not a criminal or don't have the mental capacity to own a gun, you can still buy as many as your petty heart desires.


It worse than that. A very good friend of mine bought a hand gun from a local gun shop - The Best Little Gun-shop in Texas - waited the two days and then blew her brains out on Sept 26th less than week after being told she had to get out after spending three weeks in a local hospital after attempting the kill herself with pills.

The idea that Democrats want to amend 2nd Amendment rights whatever they are is ridiculous just by looking at the face of it. Bush and Reagan era laws regarding operational features, magazine sizes, types of ammunition and criteria for public open and concealed carry that were to renewed in President Obama's term that would have limited these things were allowed to expire. Republican control laws were allowed to expire in Democratic Presidencies: including Clinton's.

I'd be much more afraid of a Republican trying to take my weapons than a Democrat!!
Baldimo
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 02:57 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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The idea that Democrats want to amend 2nd Amendment rights whatever they are is ridiculous just by looking at the face of it.

All the left talks about is changing the gun laws and making it harder to own guns. What's ridiculous is that you think it is any other way. Where are the strictest gun laws? In democrat controlled states. They also want to enact fee's and taxes on every part of owning a gun. Tax the gun, tax the bullets, tax the holster, add fee's and license to every part of the process. I called this out a year ago or more, that when the CA gun laws failed to stop shootings, they would double down. It went from the "bullet button" to 10 round mags to now trying to pass a law to restrict mags to 7 rounds.

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Bush and Reagan era laws regarding operational features, magazine sizes, types of ammunition and criteria for public open and concealed carry that were to renewed in President Obama's term that would have limited these things were allowed to expire. Republican control laws were allowed to expire in Democratic Presidencies: including Clinton's.


What features did Reagan and Bush ban? As far as I know, there was the full auto ban, which isn't a ban, it's more of a restriction since you need a Class 3 license to own one. Clinton and the Dems passed the assault weapons ban back in 1994, that was before the GOP took control of the house in 1996...

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I'd be much more afraid of a Republican trying to take my weapons than a Democrat!!

What laws have Republicans proposed that would take away your guns? You keep mixing up Dems and GOP on gun matters.
parados
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 03:42 pm
@giujohn,

You really think Fox news talked to everyone at the FBI? You are pretty gullible if that is what you think.
Krumple
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 03:53 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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The idea that Democrats want to amend 2nd Amendment rights whatever they are is ridiculous just by looking at the face of it.

All the left talks about is changing the gun laws and making it harder to own guns. What's ridiculous is that you think it is any other way. Where are the strictest gun laws? In democrat controlled states. They also want to enact fee's and taxes on every part of owning a gun. Tax the gun, tax the bullets, tax the holster, add fee's and license to every part of the process. I called this out a year ago or more, that when the CA gun laws failed to stop shootings, they would double down. It went from the "bullet button" to 10 round mags to now trying to pass a law to restrict mags to 7 rounds.

Quote:
Bush and Reagan era laws regarding operational features, magazine sizes, types of ammunition and criteria for public open and concealed carry that were to renewed in President Obama's term that would have limited these things were allowed to expire. Republican control laws were allowed to expire in Democratic Presidencies: including Clinton's.


What features did Reagan and Bush ban? As far as I know, there was the full auto ban, which isn't a ban, it's more of a restriction since you need a Class 3 license to own one. Clinton and the Dems passed the assault weapons ban back in 1994, that was before the GOP took control of the house in 1996...

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I'd be much more afraid of a Republican trying to take my weapons than a Democrat!!

What laws have Republicans proposed that would take away your guns? You keep mixing up Dems and GOP on gun matters.


Gun crimes are a symptom of another problem. You cant solve it with more gun laws because it doesnt address the actual problem.

Its like you have cancer where your immune system is weakened so you have cold symptoms so you keep taking cold medicine thinking the problem will go a way, it wont.

It does not matter how strict gun laws become. These crimes will continue because their real cause is not being addressed. The government causes a lot of the root source for gun crimes. But this gets ignored.
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giujohn
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 03:53 pm
@parados,
Did Woodward and Bernstein have to talk to everybody at the FBI or did they just talk to deepthroat? Gullible?... not me.. gullible is the person who believes that Obama and Bill Clinton we're not involved in putting pressure on the Department of Justice not to indict Hillary
parados
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 04:37 pm
@giujohn,
Woodward and Bernstein didn't make claims about everyone at the FBI thinking someone should be indicted.

The Attorney General didn't talk to the FBI director about the emails or Clinton. The FBI recommended no charges. Perhaps you are confused about what "everyone at the FBI" means.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 05:05 pm
@parados,
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As of December 31, 2009, the FBI had a total of 33,852 employees. That includes 13,412 special agents.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 05:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Getting back to the OP.
PolitiFact has named Donald Trump the winner of its annual “Lie of the Year” competition — and it's not even close.
The fact-checking website has rated 76 percent of Trump’s statements “mostly false,” “false" or “pants on fire,” out of 77 statements checked. "No other politician has as many statements rated so far down on the dial," PolitiFact observes.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-politifact-truth-lies-217048#ixzz4NO3AhZo0
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oralloy
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 05:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
You don't know anything about the Second Amendment.

I know more about the Second Amendment than you know about everything in the universe.
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Krumple
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 05:38 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Well, you have to admit it's quite a feat to pull off being weak and ineffectual at the same time as being a dictatorial tyrant.


Yeah you are correct, the left are pretty good at that.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 17 Oct, 2016 05:39 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
The idea that Democrats want to amend 2nd Amendment rights whatever they are is ridiculous just by looking at the face of it.

There is nothing ridiculous about telling the truth about the Democrats' plans to violate the Second Amendment.
farmerman
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 07:47 pm
@oralloy,
There iis nothing wrong with your tv set......
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giujohn
 
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Mon 17 Oct, 2016 08:35 pm
@parados,
Apparently you've never worked for a government agency... I know that at the agency I'm at just like most others when one guy knows something eventually everyone else does too... Do you actually live in the real world?
giujohn
 
  -2  
Mon 17 Oct, 2016 08:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Would you mind enlightening us all with your vast knowledge... Could you tell me exactly what the 2nd Amendment is that's not what it says but what it is.
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