Bush AWOL documents fake?

Dys, much as I like your salt pancakes and anticipate a veritable feast of them eventually, your judgment in handing them out seems mighty skewed.

yeah it is, I grant you thqat, but have not had time yet to scan enough posts. Believe me there will be plenty to go around from the left and the right.

hey there just.

do believe ya made a typo here....

the commonwealth that played such a large part in beginning the american struggle for independence is spelled massachusetts

on the other thing, well i believe i'll just wait until the plus-size lady warbles.


i say this in a casual way, but it comes off a little funny to me that there is so much conservative rancour against "new england liberals". the american revolution didn't start in texas, florida or georgia. but i keep hearing all about the real patriotism in the south and the, alledged less than real patriotism of others farther to the north or farther to the west.

somehow it doesn't square with the reality that 7 southern states left the union in 1861, forming the confederate states of america. georgia, florida and texas were among this first 7 states. the confederacy then attacked the united states of america at fort sumter that april, beginning the usa's third attack by a foriegn and soveriegn nation (britain being the aggressor in the first two).

being from the south, it took me a while to understand the concept. but, the civil war was not about the "north" and "south". it was the confederate states of america fighting against the united states of america.

so when i hear zell miller and friends twangin' away about patriotism, i just keep remembering that the 'massachussetts liberals", though liberal they may be, have always been citizens of the united states of america.

Bush for VN war but eager to avoid it, his prof recalls
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
W for war but eager to avoid it, prof recalls
BY CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Friday, September 10th, 2004

President Bush' former Harvard Business School prof says his ex-student supported the Vietnam War but wanted somebody else to fight it.
Yoshi Tsurumi said yesterday that Bush told him his father's connections got him into the Texas Air National Guard. "But what really disturbed me is that he said he was for the Vietnam War," said Tsurumi, who has also taught at Baruch College and the City University of New York. "I said, 'George, that's hypocrisy. You won't fight a war that you support but you expect other people to fight it for you.' He just smirked."

Tsurumi, who crossed paths with Bush in the early 1970s when the future President was studying for his MBA, previously has criticized Bush's economic policies and described him as a mediocre student who "believed people were poor because they were lazy."

But Tsurumi's new volley comes as Bush has been battling allegations he got preferential treatment at the height of the divisive Vietnam War. Bush, according to Tsurumi, "had no sense of guilt" about getting into the Guard while others wound up fighting in Vietnam.

"He was very casual about it," the professor said. "I said, 'Lucky you, how did you manage it?' He said, 'My dad had a good friend who put me at the head of the waiting list.'"

The White House declined to comment on Tsurumi's recollections, but Bush has denied that his father, who was a congressman at the time, pulled strings to get him a much-sought-after berth in the Guard.

Hey there, Don't. No typos in my post (and I won't comment on the ones in yours ) My apologies to the good folks of Massachusetts if I offended them. I just get so tired of all the offensive remarks on both sides, I guess and sometimes write things in haste.

Since you brought up the American Revolution, I guess you were (as was I) mightily offended when Michael Moore compared the Minutemen with terrorists:



There's rancor on both sides, don't you think? Not just Conservative. It will be interesting to see just how bad it gets in the coming days. I'll try to behave. Will you?

well, i take some of the stuff michael says with a grain. i understand what he's getting at though. but it's only partially on, since they do now estimate something like 10k foriegners involved.

perspective is an interesting thing. during a discussion the other day, it was pointed out to me that, from the british pov, george washington was a traitor to the crown. to me he's a founding father. but then i wasn't british at the time. or even born; although some days i feel like i was.

i agree, there's more than enough hostility to go around. try not to faint here, but alot of the stuff i hear from the left strikes me as just as, umm, disingenuous (isn't that the word of the month?) as some of the stuff from the right. i have friends of both persuasions, and manage to be hopped on by both.

again, i agree that the rhetoric will get worse before it gets better, unfortunately.

but, yeah, i will try to behave. like i've told others, for me, this is just a little political fencing for fun. i don't people's remarks too hard unless they get personal.

Why not? In fact, none of the libs out there have said a thing about this.

How come? Or should I speculate a bit more?

Hey, heres an idee. Lets dig up an old F102, fix it up and paint it, and see if Georgie can still fly the damn thing

LOL!

you guys seem to be overlooking the reports that the same anomolies that are pointed at in the cbs material are consistant with earlier documents provided by the white house in support of bush.

so does that mean that every doc relating to bush's ang issue is a fake? all of them?

maybe we need to investigate his birth certificate to be sure it's not a forgery. maybe the guy isn't really even george w. bush.

good grief...

Hatching our of a dinosaur egg does not require a birth certificate.

The whole 'documents are fake' thing is retarded.

Comparing fonts by eyesight as proof of forgery? I don't think so.

Just another way to keep from talking about the economy, the defecit, the deaths in Iraq.

Cycloptichorn

Oh please, if the same crap was accusing Kerry of not getting his purple hearts, you know you guys would be jumping all over this.

Wrongo. Kerry's purple heart contraversy is the same damn thing; just another way to avoid talking about the economy and Iraq.

Proving the SBVfT wrong doesn't accomplish anything, at all, except for keeping the conversations on the alphabet networks from talking about Iraq and the economy....

Cycloptichorn

duh!! we already went through that one. the only forgery over the freakin' purple hearts and silver and bronze stars is that crap put out by the swiftboat veterans for bitterness.

the government records support kerry, where the government records show that bush flaked out.

the boy's a spoiled, arrogant frat brat. couldn't get into school or even get a damn job without daddy's help.

it may be my humble opinion, but i'm not the only one holdin' it.

true.

so what is bushy's plan to remove from iraq anyway?

how is taking jobs from americans and sending them overseas good for said americans? ordinary americans that is?

i think we have a pretty good idea how it benefits ceo's, boardmembers and mega-stockholders.

If the Left wanted to talk about issues, they wouldn't consistantly produce lies like these forgeries from a dead man. You make it appear as though it was the right that produced these forgeries. In fact, in some fevered imaginings, they are BLAMING the right! Get that!