Bush AWOL documents fake?

Yeah, but the fact is that if someone is in a place for any significant amount of time, especially a form- and procedure-driven place like the military, there should be an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove that they were there. Perhaps someone who can remember you being there? Or some photos, or forms, or something? There should be something.

And there isn't. The lack of proof is itself the damning clue.

Cycloptichorn

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If you have evidence, proceed to trial. Otherwise, he's innocent.

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I don't want to take him to trial. I don't care about the whole thing, at all. I think all the attention on what people did 30 years ago is stupid.

This doesn't change the fact that there is a hole in this man's life that noone can account for.

I'm pretty sure the reason Bush doesn't clear this up is that he simply can't remember. Binge drinking and heavy cocaine use will do that to ya.

Cycloptichorn

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Either there's evidence that can be used officially to launch a hearing, or else he's innocent. Everything else is just gossip.

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Fine with me. Now apply that same criteria to the attacks against Kerry and let's be done with the whole thing and talk about issues!

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Fine with me. Now apply that same criteria to the attacks against Kerry and let's be done with the whole thing and talk about issues!

Cycloptichorn

I'd love to, but others will just keep right on with this irrelevant baloney.

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All in all, the thrust, tenor, and content of the position of The Left regarding matters military indicate to me the principal and directing proponents of that position are neither familiar with nor qualified to assess, comment upon, or to influence matters military.

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So, you cannot have a valid opinion about the military, from a strategic, tactical, or logistical viewpoint, unless you are a right-winger?

I would like to officially contend that statement.

Cycloptichorn

ps. It's posts like this that give credence to the 'rabidly partisan' tag.

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I did not say one could not have and express an opinion, valid or otherwise, about the military, related or unrelated to political leaning. What I said was that I do not feel the chief proponents of the Left's current criticisms of the military know what the hell they're talking about. That is my opinion.

Further, it is my opinion that any attempt to shape what actually was said into what would be more convenient to one's agenda betrays undisguised partisanship.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

So, you cannot have a valid opinion about the military, from a strategic, tactical, or logistical viewpoint, unless you are a right-winger?
That seems to be the consensus of the electorate and polled public, as well as pundits and newsmakers.... That would be Yes.
I would like to officially contend that statement.
Plenty think they like to--and then, when they find out they're laughing stocks in military and national security matters, they shut up and go away mad.... We'll call you about the Three-Toed, Masked Hooting Owl's habitat.

Cycloptichorn

ps. It's posts like this that give credence to the 'rabidly partisan' tag.

He's just telling you what everyone else already knows. C'Mon! Why do you think Kerry ran his fatigue underwear up the flagpole? And, why do you think he's still losing so badly?

Democrat: No military, no know.

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Timber

timberlandko wrote:

All in all, the thrust, tenor, and content of the position of The Left regarding matters military indicate to me the principal and directing proponents of that position are neither familiar with nor qualified to assess, comment upon, or to influence matters military.

Timber, SHAME! SHAME! on you. Witless passion leading to such a statement disgraces you in this Forum.

BBB

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BS. Timber is right. The Democrat Presidential campaign proves it. They shamelessly dropped all pretense of being the Dem party, wrapped themselves in a plastic flag and act as though a guy who got a bruise and a scratch and met with the enemy in Paris during wartime is MacArthur.

They don't know their heads from their asses when it comes to war, or national security.

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timberlandko wrote:

All in all, the thrust, tenor, and content of the position of The Left regarding matters military indicate to me the principal and directing proponents of that position are neither familiar with nor qualified to assess, comment upon, or to influence matters military.

Well, timber, shall I post a number of leading generals/admirals from different countries, who are members of e.g. the Labour Party, the SPD and othe socialist countries?
Or do you mean, this disqualifies your British ally in e.g. Iraq?

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Timber:

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Finally a point on which we find ourselves in agreement

Wow! Since the point was regarding you and your ilk, I find it amazing that you would agree with that statement.

McGentrix:

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Now, I have nothing to back this up, but I would like to point out that it is the same nothing anyone has that demonstrates he was AWOL at the time.

What does any of that have to do with the fact that George W. Bush cannot explain his time away from the National Guard? Do you think Colonel Bobby W. Hodges and Richard Via are also fifteen minute "whores" for the Democratic Party?

Just curious...

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The American Left.

<Timber, if you disagree, then I'm just speaking for myself.>

You guys have had to get the gist of American Left v Global Left by now.

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It is the Soldier, not the Reporter,
who has given us Freedom of the Press.

It is the Soldier, not the Poet,
who has given us Freedom of Speech.

It is the Soldier, not the Lawyer,
who has given us the Right to a Free Trial.

It is the Soldier, who salutes the Flag,
who serves under the Flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the Flag,
who allows the Protestor to burn the Flag.

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They don't know their heads from their asses when it comes to
war, or national security.

You must be talking about the Republican party and this administration, for most of them kinda missed that nasty little war we refer to as Vietnam.

Quite frankly, seeing those idiots wearing pink bandaids on their chins and waving their "flip-flopping" arms in the air at the RNC indicates to me that this entire party doesn't know jack schiit regarding war or national security. But they do know alot about smear, denigration, insults, and blind stupidity.

And based on what's currently taking place in Iraq, and what Bush is saying on the stump, blind stupidity has taken on a whole new meaning for neoconservatives.

Very sad...

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No, Lash, you do not misinterperate.I refer in this instance specifically to the involved and currently-at-discussion party, The American Left, as in particlar personified by the leadership of The Democratic Party.

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timberlandko wrote:

It is the Soldier, not the Reporter,
who has given us Freedom of the Press.

It is the Soldier, not the Poet,
who has given us Freedom of Speech.

It is the Soldier, not the Lawyer,
who has given us the Right to a Free Trial.

It is the Soldier, who salutes the Flag,
who serves under the Flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the Flag,
who allows the Protestor to burn the Flag.

Glad to live in a country, where this is given by the constitution!

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timberlandko:

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It is the Soldier, not the Reporter,
who has given us Freedom of the Press.

It is the Soldier, not the Poet,
who has given us Freedom of Speech.

It is the Soldier, not the Lawyer,
who has given us the Right to a Free Trial.

It is the Soldier, who salutes the Flag,
who serves under the Flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the Flag,
who allows the Protestor to burn the Flag.

I couldn't agree more. The problem is, you have to look outside of this country to read about what is truly going on here in America. Not a lot of freedom in objectivity, if you ask me.

And I vociferously agree that it is the soldier whose coffin is draped by the flag. So why won't Bush let America honor those soldiers in a due fashion?

What a crock.

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