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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Lash
 
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Tue 22 May, 2018 06:02 pm
@izzythepush,
Correct me if I’m wrong (I feel confident you will), but did he **** around with the Catholic Church’s bloomers or just create and empower an alternate religion?
Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 May, 2018 11:59 pm
@Lash,
Scientologists just respond for their crimes when we spot them, like the Catholic priests respond for theirs. Religion leaders are not above French law. It's naïve to assume that religion is always a benevolent force.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 12:08 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
“Fascism is not an exception to humanity, but part of it.” 

That.
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Lash
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 02:27 am
@Olivier5,
I agree completely!
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 03:52 am
@Lash,
Who is he? Do you mean Henry VIII? The C of E doesn't begin and end with him. He never stopped being Catholic, his problems were with the pope. He was proclaimed head of the church in England not head of the church of England. There's a big difference.


Anyway the CofE is incredibly broad, and not only that, because he's a government employee, the parish vicar is in charge of the spiritual welfare of all parishioners, not just Anglicans.

That means whenever the AB of C is interviewed he spends all his time trying hard not to upset anyone.

Some even have their own columns in newspapers.
http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2014-10-29-at-10.46.36.png
Lash
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 03:57 am
@izzythepush,
Uplifting words of extreme logic in these confusing times.

I’d like a personal vicar like that guy.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 05:22 am
@Lash,
I'm still very impressed by the life and deeds of the "The Red Vicar" (Conrad Noel): not only because he placed three flags - the Union Jack, the Sinn Fein banner and the Hammer and Sickle - inside his church but whta he generally did and wrote ([The question i]Ought Christians to be socialists?[/i] became elsewhere only popular from the 1960's onwards - he wrote that book in 1909.)

Lash
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 05:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for the suggestion. I plan to check it out.
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revelette1
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 06:32 am
@izzythepush,
I always thought Anne Boleyn (a fascinating character)played the bigger role in changing religion once she became Queen, however short that was.

The Role and Influence of Anne Boleyn

According to the above, for Anne Boleyn, Protestantism and (pre)feminism or the role of women were all mixed together.

izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 07:08 am
@Lash,
It's from Viz, it's a joke. Here's another.

http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/07_viz129_letterbocks.jpg
izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 07:13 am
@revelette1,
His last wife Catherine Parr was also pretty radical. It was under the boy king Edward VI that England went protestant, that is until Bloody Mary came along and her brutality ensured England stayed Protestant when Liz came to the throne.
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Lash
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 07:20 am
@izzythepush,
It’s hilarious.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 09:15 am
@Lash,
I love Viz, there's very few printed works that can make me laugh out loud. Viz always does, so much of stand up comedy relies on gesture, timing, facial expressions, tone of voice, all sorts. The written word doesn't have that and is therefore so much harder, but Viz comes up with the goods each time.

It's uniquely English, (actually Geordie,) a cross between real highbrow intellectualism and schoolboy lavatory humour. Some of the comic strips about philosophers like Nietzsche needing the lavatory at God's funeral show a real depth of understanding about the subject.

This is the Website.

http://viz.co.uk/
Lash
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 10:04 am
@izzythepush,
A great gift, thank you!
Lash
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 10:49 am
I didn’t think this could happen in America.

I wonder what the response will be. I wish they’d all suit up for the first games, and either walk out or everyfuckingone of them kneel. Now, it’s not even about civil rights a la racism, but freedom of expression.

It’s just quiet kneeling!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html

Excerpt:

Atlanta (CNN)This season, NFL players must stand during the National Anthem, team owners decided Wednesday in Atlanta -- a reaction to fierce backlash against some who took a knee in symbolic opposition to the systemic oppression of people of color, including by police.

A statement from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said team owners unanimously agreed that the NFL can fine a team whose players protests on the sidelines during the National Anthem, but that each team will set will its own rules regarding players who want to kneel.
Players cannot be fined by the league. They also will be allowed to remain in the locker room while the anthem is played.
Previously, there had been no rule that prevented players from protesting.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 May, 2018 11:07 am
@Lash,
You already use some Geordie terms like bairn so hopefully the strips written in Geordie like Sid the Sexist won't be too tricky.
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revelette1
 
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Thu 24 May, 2018 06:24 am
Quote:
Prosecutor lied about key evidence in Trump inauguration protester trial, judge rules

The federal prosecutor who has pursued hundreds of Trump inauguration protesters on unprecedented felony riot charges for over a year lied to the court about edits her team made to a key video filmed by right-wing operative James O’Keefe’s organization, a judge found Wednesday.

The ruling does not guarantee that the remaining defendants in the case will go free. Judge Robert Morin agreed with defense lawyers that Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Kerkhoff had illegally suppressed evidence, but declined to make a final ruling on their motion to dismiss all charges in light of the government’s cheating. That motion governs only one of several clusters of defendants who may yet land in prison for marching alongside people who broke windows and threw rocks.

The full video captures an undercover police officer saying of organizers from the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), “I don’t think they know anything about any of the upper echelon stuff.” But that moment was edited out of the video before prosecutors turned it over to defense counsel in an earlier case, and was only discovered after the court ordered the government to hand over the full, unedited files.

Withholding a police witness’s in-the-moment statement that organizers had no knowledge of the thing they’re being accused of planning is a clear violation of the laws governing evidence-sharing. Kerkhoff had previously told the court that no potentially exculpatory evidence had been withheld because the videos were only altered to conceal the identities of the police officer and the O’Keefe operative. Defense counsel has asked Morin to censure Kerkhoff for that false claim.

The lawyers are also asking Morin to toss out all the charges, arguing that the withholding of helpful evidence over such a long period of time fundamentally undermines their fair trial rights. If Morin does decide the felony cases can proceed despite Kerkhoff’s violation of evidence rules codified in the 1963 Supreme Court decision Brady v Maryland, the lawyers say he should at the very least bar prosecutors from using any of the O’Keefe videos at trial.

The edited video is the central piece of evidence in an unusual, chilling legal argument that already failed spectacularly once. An undercover operative from O’Keefe’s Project Veritas had infiltrated a planning meeting ahead of the inauguration protests and secretly filmed parts of a raucous discussion of tactics and plans for various anti-Trump marches. The video, corroborated by Metropolitan Police Department officer Brian Adelmeyer based on his attendance at the meeting on an undercover assignment, showed various people discussing various activities loosely coordinated under the banner #DisruptJ20.

After a handful of marchers smashed shop windows and scrapped with riot police, MPD opted to “kettle” hundreds of people and conduct a mass arrest. More than 200 people were subsequently charged with a long list of felonies as the government sought to hold every attendee collectively guilty for the property-smashers’ actions.

The O’Keefe video was the key piece of evidence that everyone who participated in the march was party to a willful conspiracy to destroy property and stage a riot. It failed to persuade jurors in December, when Kerkhoff got skunked in the first group trial stemming from the mass arrests. Those acquittals prompted her office to drop all but 59 of the cases, supposedly narrowing the pool to people with a stronger connection to actual violent acts or planning that anticipated such violence.

The first trial was a wacky affair, laden with awkward tech glitches and haunted by ghosts both partisan and ideological. The key investigator working to analyze hundreds of hours of video from the protest and arrests is a Trump fan with a history of bashing Black Lives Matter and other street protest movements. Police witnesses struggled to justify some uses of force and the decision to shoot pepper spray into crowds of detained people awaiting arrest. Lawyers and judges have argued about what “antifa” and “black bloc” mean almost as much as they’ve argued about the First Amendment implications of the collective-guilt prosecution of protesters.

For all that to end with a whimper, after millions of dollars in prosecutor spending and nearly 18 months of endless disruption to the allegedly-criminal marchers’ lives, would be shocking.

There’s grim irony in Kerkhoff getting tripped up by her own team’s editing of a video provided by James O’Keefe, whose career is built on deceptively editing video clips to smear progressive political organizations and other perceived enemies of the political right.

But while O’Keefe has become a laughingstock after attempted stings involving a house boat full of sex toys and an attempt at bugging a government office, the J20 trials offer a reminder of how dangerous his operation can be. Democrats joined Republicans in destroying the longstanding community organizing stalwart ACORN in 2009 based on an O’Keefe scam, ripping up one of the most effective grassroots organizations focused on the legal and economic interests of low-income families and people of color. Even when everybody knows he’s lying, as in the case of the “sting” that put him on the map a decade ago, his work can still prompt devastating outcomes if people in power don’t stand up for the truth of the matter.

In 2009, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) decided to stand with O’Keefe instead of with the truth. Where Judge Morin chooses to stand in 2018 remains to be seen. The judge has promised a final ruling on the motion to dismiss the J20 charges in the week after Memorial Day.


TP
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revelette1
 
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Thu 24 May, 2018 06:25 am
@Lash,
I am so disgusted the NFL owners I can't really comment yet. Trump and Pence's gloating is just hard to stomach. I know why the owners did it, but they are wrong.
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 24 May, 2018 07:53 am
I became a football fan in 1964. The recent events have diminished my involvement significantly. The only reason I don't stage a personal boycott is rooted in the fact even the players whose views I support will be hurt. Plus, I won't strike out at players who see it the other way. If I knew how to influence the owners without hurting the lives of players I would do it.
 

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