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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 09:20 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I don’t think the technology Hitler had access to rivals today’s. Do you?
Well, the concentration camps seemed to have worked for him. But you certainly can have a different opinion.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 09:26 am
Oh my fuckin god! Google defines fascism as right wing! What a shocking rewriting of history.... ?

Let's hear what the inventor of fascism defined it 60 years before Google:

Quote:
Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century.

Source: THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM
BENITO MUSSOLINI (1932)
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

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Lash
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 09:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I was talking about getting the message out that LED to the full-blown German compliance.

The communication technology.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:03 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I was talking about getting the message out that LED to the full-blown German compliance.

The communication technology.
So I obviously misunderstood your post
you wrote:
And, in the case of Germany, the change came with much less power than these communication czars who can control what is seen and heard.


However: do you know by chance, how it was done? (Hint: it started on the fifth day of his government)
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Lash
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:03 am
Google power
https://theintercept.com/2017/10/17/google-search-drug-use-opioid-epidemic/

A SNAP DECISION by Google has begun to reshape the drug treatment industry, tilting the playing field toward large conglomerates — the precise opposite outcome Google had hoped to achieve.

The fateful decision was made September 14. Google faced pressure from an exposé in The Verge released a week earlier, documenting how shady lead generators game its AdWords system. High-cost ads based on rehab keywords referred users to phone hotlines that gave the impression of being independent information services, but were actually owned by treatment center conglomerates. Representatives, who reap large fees based on how many patients they sign up, employ high-pressure sales tactics to push people into their favored facilities, whether or not that facility is the right one for the patient.

This deceptive marketing can lead to substandard treatment and massive overbilling. It also made lots of money for Google, which was shown in the story actively courting addiction treatment advertisers.

And so Google made a quick call: It effectively stopped running ads from treatment facilities. At first blush, that may look like a happy alignment of the public good and a company’s need for good public relations, with Google taking a hit to make the world a better place in the midst of an epidemic.

But the problem of economic concentration is so deep in the United States today that peeling back one layer merely reveals another. Without ads, addicts or their parents are left only with the organic search results.

Guess who wins those?

It’s not Ben Camp. He’s the CEO of RehabPath, which bills itself as a resource for addiction recovery, connecting patients with quality treatment information. Camp has been a longtime critic of the fraud rampant in the treatment industry and felt that Google was operating from the right impulse, but got it wrong — to the detriment of smaller facilities.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:08 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I was talking about getting the message out that LED to the full-blown German compliance.

The communication technology.


Um, hello? The Nazis captured the Radio and print media and this in large part led to their public rise. In fact, they had tremendous control over the communication technology of the time. Far more so than anyone does today.

Cycloptichorn
InfraBlue
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:32 am
@Lash,
The guy in your link interprets the definition incorrectly, as has been pointed out thoroughly on this thread.

In Lash's link, Derek Hunter wrote:
Merriam-Webster defines the word “fascism” as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.” The secondary definition is “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.”

This definition reflects the fact that Nazis were, in fact, both fascists and of the political left. They were the “National Socialist German Workers Party,” which favored a heavy-handed government in business and the personal lives of its citizens.

Once again, the Nazis were not politically leftists. They were as leftist as North Korea is democratic. Guys like Hunter get easily tripped up and confused by the words used in political slogans and monikers, like "Socialist." Needless to say, one must take their opinions with a grain of salt.
Lash
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:35 am
@Cycloptichorn,
The bottom line is what he did worked.

Having Facebook, Amazon, and Google at your service would also work—without declaring a hostile takeover.
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Lash
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:43 am
Competing definitions of fascism. Most of them don’t use the intentionally limiting “right” or “left” denotation—and I think that is important.

http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm
oralloy
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 11:10 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Competing definitions of fascism. Most of them don’t use the intentionally limiting “right” or “left” denotation—and I think that is important.

Fascism takes the dumbest (in my opinion at least) elements from both the right and the left and mixes them up into an unwholesome blend.

Because of that, people on either extreme can always point to elements incorporated from the other extreme and claim that fascism belongs to their opposition.

Nazism takes fascism and adds the senseless murder of innocent people to the mix.

Am I the only one who's bored with the Democrats incessantly whining about Trump?
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badger2
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 11:46 am
The "left" is movement according to Deleuze in Lefebvre's Image of Law. Failing to accept that, we can understand the dilemma of definitions in this thread. Trump's current dossier question links back to the Clinton mafia, and we're not surprised. If the prisoners here never heard of Chapman Pincher, we can understand also what Pincher never knew: the connection of the Clinton mafia to British MI5 and MI6.
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Setanta
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 12:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
This has been a conservative meme for at least a decade now--there was one joker here to took that lame claim about National Socialist as evidence that the Nazis were leftists. Immediately after the Reichstag fire, Hitler got a presidential decree from that fool Hindenburg to ban the communist party and he then proceeded to bring trumped up charges against the leadership of the Social Democrats. He then used political threats and even the threat of physical violence by the SA and the SS during the vote on the Enabling Act.

That being said, it has been acknowledged here ad naseum that the threat of fascism can come from the right or the left. The conservative operatives here keep bringing this up, as though no one knew, just like they can't stop bleating about Clinton. It is also noteworthy that the Fascists and the Falangists. as well as the Nazis very quickly cozied up to capitalists, and both Mussolini and Hitler used corporate contributions to finance their respective rises to power--much as the Koch brothers fund the Republican Party today. The guy who wrote that is either a simple-minded fool, or thinks everyone else is. Of course, Sofia Lash Goth almost always uses the lowest of the low in the way or conservative on-line rags for the "evidence" she claims to have.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 12:30 pm
Back on topic. The proliferation and normalization of white supremacist and fascist thought has led to a big uptick in harassment at American colleges.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/22/racist-incidents-colleges-abound-academic-year-begins

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/flyers-encouraging-lgbtq-suicides-cause-uproar-college-campus-n811911

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/20/white-supremacist-flyers-placed-on-new-jersey-coll/

http://thegrio.com/2017/08/20/welcome-to-college-white-boys-and-girls-racist-flyers-found-at-arizona-state-university/

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 12:42 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Of course, Sofia Lash Goth almost always uses the lowest of the low in the way or conservative on-line rags for the "evidence" she claims to have.
That's perhaps her pedagogic concept.
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Setanta
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 12:58 pm
I would like to point out that the attributes and historic rise of fascist regimes is on topic.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 01:11 pm
http://forward.com/fast-forward/385568/neo-nazi-troll-calls-for-flash-mobs-targeting-jews-and-blacks-during-richar/

Cycloptichorn
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:05 pm
Quote:
Hundreds of protesters have marched on the University of Florida to decry a speech by a white nationalist.
Richard Spencer's event in Gainesville has prompted the governor to declare a state of emergency, and hundreds of police have also flooded the campus.
Mr Spencer struggled to speak over a crowd of protesters, who jeered and chanted "go home, Spencer!"
His speech comes two months after a far-right rally in Virginia left an anti-racism protester dead.
"I'm not going home, I will stand here all day if I have to," Mr Spencer said, calling the crowd a mob and "shrieking and grunting morons".
Audience members continued to heckle him, chanting "Nazis are not welcome here" and "Let's go, Gators!", a nod to the college's mascot.
The college said it did not want to let "vile" Mr Spencer speak, but was obligated under law to do so.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41683713
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badger2
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:19 pm
Setankitten's fascism is being (afraid [italics]) of not being on topic, and is seriously information-compromised about right and left. That is why others will be getting clued up by referring to the text we have mentioned on Deleuze and movement, a movement Deleuze says is not even political. In addition, S. fails to grasp that national socialism is precisely Bernie Sanders theatrics as the middle tine of the impossible trident, or blivet (see wikipedia), which indeed has to do with the perception of election-year prisoners. The Indigene will correctly perceive the trident the first time, though others (such as Europeans) will have more trouble doing so. The pivot to the communist pole is that at a certain point, socialism becomes impossible in actual reality. For the text on this, see Hardt and Negri's Labor of Dionysus: A Critique of the State Form.
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badger2
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 03:43 pm
Lash has a problem: Amazon is moving to Toledo, Ohio. A few miles across the Michigan line is precisely the actual link to Clinton mafia employee DNA and by default, the DNA link to CIA employee DNA. There are two addresses to ponder: 8702 & 8718 Douglas Rd., Temperance, Michigan. These addresses are also the familial DNA link to British MI5 & MI6.
badger2
 
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Thu 19 Oct, 2017 04:08 pm
So, if Amazon does not move to Toledo, does it change any of the Clinton mafia links?
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