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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
neptuneblue
 
  6  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 07:25 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

10, maybe 15 years ago on these pages, most people agreed that the best world order would be multipolar. Putin agrees. I agree.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/putin-says-formation-of-multipolar-world-irreversible/2627320

The US is engaged in a proxy war at great expense to Ukrainians, Europeans, Russians, and likely additional victims whose situations are currently being suppressed by our political spy community, in order to maintain a failing grasp on our criminally acquired hegemony.

Sigh. Sadness on all sides, but see what’s in front of you.
___________________





Excerpt:

According to Putin, some states are not ready to accept losing their supremacy on the international stage and are striving to preserve the unjust unipolar model.

“Under the guise of what they call order based on rules, and other questionable concepts, they try to control and direct global processes at their own discretion, and hold to a course of creating closed blocs and coalitions that make decisions for the benefit of one country, the United States of America,” he said.


This has got to be the most WTF/head scratcher statements I've read in quite some time.

Putin invaded Crimea in 2014. He currently is engaging in an active war against Ukraine. Putin is an ex-KGB killer. There is NO way I would agree with anything he says as accurate or truthful. He wants world domination, and you agree with him.

No, just no.
blatham
 
  2  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 09:11 am
The author here is an Evangelical Christian, a conservative and a Republican who was a senior writer at the National Review.

Quote:
The Oddly Intense Anger Against Zelensky, Explained
Domestic animosity drives right-wing rage

By David French
DECEMBER 23, 2022

“I just want to punch him.” That’s what Candace Owens told her 3.3 million Twitter followers in response to a video of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky thanking Americans for their support in his nation’s existential struggle against Russian aggression. It’s an absurd, juvenile statement, but it was also par for the course on the new American right.

Zelensky’s visit to the United States triggered an astonishing outpouring of raw vitriol from some of the most prominent right-wing voices in the land. Donald Trump Jr. called Zelensky an “international welfare queen.” In a furious monologue on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Carlson said that Zelensky—who wore fatigues similar to the ones he’s worn since the conflict started—“dressed like the manager of a strip club.” The Daily Wire’s Matt Walsh told his 1.2 million Twitter followers that Zelensky was a “grifting leech.”

The list goes on. Turning Point USA’s Benny Johnson called Zelensky an “ungrateful piece of sh*t.” His boss, Turning Point USA President Charlie Kirk, said Zelensky is “the perfect person for DC. Barely can speak English, an actor, and totally corrupt.”

And if you think that’s the entirety of right-wing hatred against Zelensky, you’re sadly mistaken. I simply highlighted a few of the people with huge platforms on the right. If you want an even more complete roundup, I’d suggest reading Cathy Young’s outstanding report over at The Bulwark.

In fact, Cathy and I are doing much the same thing. We’re trying to highlight and explain the incredible outpouring of right-wing anger against the president of a country that’s defending itself against an unprovoked, brutal invasion by one of our nation’s chief geopolitical foes. Here’s Cathy’s smart take:

Quote:
Partly, it’s simply partisanship: If the libs are for it, we’re against it, and the more offensively the better. (And if the pre-Trump Republican establishment is also for it, then we’re even more against it.) Partly, it’s the belief that Ukrainian democracy is a Biden/Obama/Hillary Clinton/”Deep State” project, all the more suspect because it’s related to Trump’s first impeachment. Partly, it’s the “national conservative” distaste for liberalism—not only in its American progressive iteration, but in the more fundamental sense that includes conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher: the outlook based on individual freedom and personal autonomy, equality before the law, limited government, and an international order rooted in those values. Many NatCons are far more sympathetic to Russia’s crusade against secular liberalism than to Ukraine’s desire for integration into liberal, secular Europe.

I agree with all of her explanations. Each element is in the mix to a greater or lesser degree, but I want to drill down on her first point. Partisan polarization doesn’t just explain the fact of right-wing opposition to Ukraine; it also explains its raw intensity.

Simply put, it’s not about Ukraine. It’s about you. A key reason why the new right hates Zelensky is that the new right hates you. You are the real enemy, and anything or anyone you like, they will hate. And, to be clear, I’m not just talking about polarization between Republicans and Democrats. Most Americans (including most Republicans) still support sending additional arms to Ukraine.

This is about polarization against the Democrats, against the Republican establishment, and against traditional Reagan conservatives like me—a coalition the new right calls the “uniparty.” What the alleged uniparty supports, the new right opposes, and it doesn’t just oppose positions; it opposes the people within the alleged uniparty with an almost primal ferocity. Just watch a typical Carlson monologue. It’s peppered with schoolyard insults and juvenile name-calling.

Along with the vitriol, there is a kind of potpourri of positions that goes along with membership in the new right, including vaccine skepticism (or outright opposition) and election denial. No, not every person shares the same position, but the overlap is tremendous—including among most of the public voices I highlighted above.

Kirk, for example, spent much of yesterday tweeting against Zelensky and in support of Kari Lake’s hopeless effort to reverse the results of the Arizona gubernatorial election, which Lake lost. There are few more prominent opponents of the COVID vaccine than Owens. Carlson has also relentlessly criticized COVID vaccines.

At first glance, these issues might seem to be completely disconnected. But scratch beneath the surface, and they all share the same fundamental characteristic: furious defiance of majority consensus. Again, what the “uniparty” is for, the new right is against.

And this defiance makes a difference in people’s decisions. Republicans are less likely to get vaccinated against COVID, and now there’s evidence that this was a deadly choice. A study of voters in Ohio and Florida has revealed some startling facts: “The fates of Republicans and Democrats began to diverge markedly after the introduction of vaccines in April of 2021. Between March 2020 and March 2021, excess death rates for Republicans were 1.6 percentage points higher than for Democrats. After April 2021, the gap widened to 10.6 percentage points.”

That defiance is also making a difference in American support for Ukraine. The same poll I cited above, which indicates that a majority of Republicans still support additional arms for Ukraine, also shows that support for arms and economic assistance to Ukraine has dropped far more with Republicans than with Democrats or independents.

I’ve written about right-wing contrarianism before, but it’s important to identify each time it arises. And it’s important to identify the sheer amount of hatred that animates new-right discourse. You don’t compare foreign leaders to strip-club owners, call them leeches or welfare queens, or fantasize about punching them if you’re simply holding a different opinion about a complex and difficult point of policy.

That’s why it’s become particularly difficult to discuss policy. The new right’s objections to supporting Ukraine, or taking a vaccine, or accepting the results of an election are largely born out of hatred—the conviction that the evil “they” are out to destroy “us”; it’s difficult to reasonably debate policy differences against the backdrop of such extreme animosity. If the new right believes its Democratic and Republican opponents are fundamentally evil, then of course it will believe that the policies and people they support are evil as well.

We saw this animosity again yesterday, when 18 Republicans joined Democrats in the Senate to pass an omnibus spending package that included a substantial increase in aid to Ukraine. And how did Johnson react? “Senate Republicans are traitors,” he tweeted. Carlson hosted a segment called “adventures in idiocy” in which his guest, yes, decried the “uniparty” and called the bill a “betrayal of the American people.”

Of course, not every opponent of Ukraine aid shares these dark motivations. There are thoughtful people who raise serious concerns about escalation, or about the increasing financial costs of our support. But right-wing infotainment doesn’t feature reasoned argument. Instead it sensationalizes. It insults. It provokes. And those insults and provocations have far more reach than reasoned arguments.

The longer I write about American politics and culture, the more I realize that animosity is our real enemy. The anger in so many American hearts blinds them to the truth, renders them vulnerable to conspiracies, and tempts them into dehumanizing their opponents.

That’s what we saw unfold online this week during Zelensky’s visit. It wasn’t the new right rising in reasoned opposition to American policy, but rather hysterical rage animated by very real hate. And the hatred isn’t truly against the people of Ukraine or even necessarily against Zelensky himself. It’s against you. It’s against me. It’s against the people of this country who the new right believes are rotten to our very core.

Lash
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2022 10:04 am
The hate is from leftists and conservatives against the corrupt cabal of democrats, CIA, FBI, and other unelected spy organizations who concocted the impetus for the proxy war, used suppression of free speech to hide it, who suppressed their questions and concerns about Covid, who colluded to throw a democratic election and subvert the resulting presidency.

They were thrown off of social media platforms accused of lying, disinformation, misinformation—when they knew their accusers were the guilty ones. And that astounding guilt was just proven.

There are a lot of legitimate reasons for this hate.

Those billions of dollars that our government says they don’t have when citizens of this country beg for improved, affordable education, healthcare housing—is ceremoniously handed to a money launderer in a big state commercial right before Christmas when how many Americans froze to death??

There are many legitimate reasons for hate.
blatham
 
  0  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 10:15 am
@blatham,
As another example of owning the libs "the more offensively the better"...

It's Christmas Eve and about 50 migrants were dropped off in front of Kamala Harris' residence with the temperature in the teens. Another stunt by Greg Abbott.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2022 10:19 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
There are many legitimate reasons for hate.
Since it's Christmas:

Bonae voluntatis,
Et in terra pax hominibus.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 10:20 am
@blatham,
I hope he got coal in his stocking.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 11:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And as the year draws to a close, I would like to add

In the past year, the West surprised itself: we are more resilient than we thought.
For the opponents of freedom, on the other hand, 2022 was not a good time - and that is why there are also these desperate posts here.
blatham
 
  2  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 12:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
For the opponents of freedom, on the other hand, 2022 was not a good time - and that is why there are also these desperate posts here.

Yes, I think so.

And Happy Holiday to you, Walter, and to everyone else.
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jespah
 
  5  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 12:23 pm
@blatham,
There's also a none-too-subtle and not very small degree of antisemitism running through the hatred of Zelensky.

Which also runs through a ton of the conspiracy theories as well.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 01:00 pm
@jespah,
That conspiracy myths are openly anti-Semitic in the context of the Corona pandemic is no coincidence.
Since time immemorial, anti-Semitism has been as structurally conspiracy-myth charged as any conspiracy myth is structurally anti-Semitic.

Anti-Semitic name polemics also have a long tradition, especially here in Germany.
Konrad Krause wrote in his 1943 book Die jüdische Namenwelt ("The Jewish World of Names"): "It would undoubtedly be a great relief in the defence against the Jews if not only their appearance warned us, but if their name also reliably identified them."
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blatham
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2022 04:56 pm
@jespah,
Quote:
There's also a none-too-subtle and not very small degree of antisemitism running through the hatred of Zelensky.

Which also runs through a ton of the conspiracy theories as well.


Hi girl! Yes, that's so. This rightwing movement wherever it turns up has some very disconcerting anti-Semitic notions. I did not think we'd see this again to such a degree.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 05:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
US residents are fighting for healthcare, education, housing, and the right to speak their opinions without their government erasing them from social media.

You’re on the side of the oppressor.

Everybody who’s financially comfortable seems to be on the side of the oppressor.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 25 Dec, 2022 05:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for making US politicians richer.
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blatham
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2022 05:54 pm
One of my twin brother's sons who arrived here with wife and two great kids also brought along a young German exchange student (she's 15) who has been living with them. She was a real delight, smart, gracious, good sense of humor and just a bit shy. When they left a day ago, she said she was coming back in two years and would be bringing her parents to meet us.

That's a true and a nice story. But it does not match the one I'm linking. People can be so damned wonderful. HERE
glitterbag
 
  3  
Mon 26 Dec, 2022 12:07 am
@blatham,
I used to work in a an office with Army personnel who had lived in Korea, we were all in our 20's, loved to entertain (cheap group parties) and the swallowed tons of wonderful tasty made fresh Pulgogi/Bulgolgi (there was always an argument with the linguists about the most accurate pronunciation of the dish (the sound of the P and B then all the transcribers getting into it the validity of their own preference). I wasn't a Korean linguist, so I just liked eating the foods...they were marvelous. But the people were very bright and were a lot of fun to work with.

Ok, not exactly a Christmas story but it beats the hell out of being called overfed, greedy fascists by someone who has no idea what her own government is actually doing because she rather believes what our enemies have told her about her evil masters.
vikorr
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2022 12:45 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
This has got to be the most WTF/head scratcher statements I've read in quite some time.

Putin invaded Crimea in 2014. He currently is engaging in an active war against Ukraine. Putin is an ex-KGB killer. There is NO way I would agree with anything he says as accurate or truthful. He wants world domination, and you agree with him.
I'll say the same - it is utterly head scratching that anyone would believe that a badguy can't say something accurate. This sort of thinking is simply delusional because no one is wrong all the time.

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In a world where people aren't blinded by their own emotions, or their dislike of others - each individual statement is treated on its own merits. Amazingly, many people think it is perfectly rational to dismiss an idea based on dislike of the person, rather than any objective basis related to the the statement itself.

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It is also common sense that the US would try to arrange international commerce to its own benefit. Anyone who thinks, on a world stage, that countries feel obligated to compete fairly against each other....doesn't understand people, or money.
Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 26 Dec, 2022 05:54 am
A lot of energy spent and integrity lost trying to get people to disregard the evidence that our government actively fabricated a narrative to cheat an election and to create a boogeyman to blame for their own lies and crimes.

The proof has been released by Twitter.
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neptuneblue
 
  1  
Mon 26 Dec, 2022 06:26 am
@vikorr,
Ok, go ahead and you can think Putin's such a nice guy, that he invaded Crimea for his benevolence being regarded as to help out a struggling people by forcibly retaining land and its resources. Don't worry your pretty little head about that.

And certainly, don't worry about his current invasion of Ukraine, the destruction of it's cities or the murdering of it's people. Putin is SUCH an honest and open individual that Ukrainians are actively welcoming his bombs and soldiers.

Don't you fret one iota about it.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Mon 26 Dec, 2022 07:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

And as the year draws to a close, I would like to add

In the past year, the West surprised itself: we are more resilient than we thought.
For the opponents of freedom, on the other hand, 2022 was not a good time - and that is why there are also these desperate posts here.



I just wanted to post this comment of yours again, Walter, and in highlight. I nominate it for the best comment of the year!
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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 26 Dec, 2022 08:57 am
Be informed about American spies suppressing news and forcing media platforms to adopt their lies.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/24/latest-batch-of-twitter-files-shows-cia-fbi-involved-in-content-moderation/

Latest Twitter Files shows CIA, FBI have spent years meddling in content moderation

Excerpt:

A Christmas Eve "Twitter Files" from independent journalist Matt Taibbi reveals how the platform has frequently bowed to government and political pressure.

The CIA has been meddling in Twitter’s internal content moderation for years, according to the latest dispatches from Elon Musk’s “Twitter Files” — which also revealed “mountains of insistent moderation demands” from the Democratic National Committee, but not from the GOP.

Two separate threads in the ongoing Elon Musk-sponsored deep dive into the social media’s internal documents were released Saturday by independent journalist Matt Taibbi, documenting how the platform has frequently bowed to government and political pressure.

On June 29. 2020, Taibbi shows, the FBI’s Elvis Chan — who has played a starring role in past Twitter Files releases — asked company executives to “invite an OGA” to an upcoming conference.

“OGA, or ‘Other Government Organization,’ can be a euphemism for CIA, according to multiple former intelligence officials and contractors,” Taibbi explains.

One week later, Stacia Cardille, a senior Twitter legal executive, made the link explicit.

“I invited the FBI and the CIA virtually will attend too,” Cardille wrote to her colleague — and former FBI chief counsel — James Baker on July 8, 2020. “No need for you to attend.”

Baker, one of dozens of ex-FBI agents and executives in Twitter’s ranks at the time, was fired this month for interfering in Musk’s effort to reveal the company’s past transgressions.

From that point, Taibbi writes that “regular meeting[s] of the multi-agency Foreign Influence Task Force (FITF)” — attended by Twitter and “virtually every major tech firm [including] Facebook, Microsoft, Verizon, Reddit, even Pinterest, and many others” — had “FBI personnel, and – nearly always – one or two attendees marked ‘OGA’.”

“Meeting agendas virtually always included, at or near the beginning, an ‘OGA briefing,’ usually about foreign matters,” Taibbi writes.

Through the FITF, US intelligence tasked Twitter analysts with laborious investigations into domestic Twitter accounts alleged to have nefarious foreign connections, the documents reveal — ramping up as the 2020 presidential election approached, but continuing through 2022.

Twitter content monitors analyzed users’ IP data, phone numbers and even weighed whether user names were “Russian-sounding” to confirm the government’s accusations – but often failed to do so.

Taibbi shows how a succession of intelligence reports in 2022 strove to shape news narratives relating to Ukraine and the Russian invasion.

One such report, which lists accounts allegedly tied to “Ukraine ‘neo-Nazi’ Propaganda,’” pushed Twitter to place sites pointing out Hunter Biden’s lucrative role on the board of Busima, the Ukrainian energy company, under a cloud of official suspicion.

Other reports, including one from August 2022, comprised “long lists of newspapers, tweets or YouTube videos” that US intelligence deemed to be guilty of “anti-Ukraine narratives.”

“Intel about the shady origin of these accounts might be true,” Taibbi writes. “But so might at least some of the information in them – about neo-Nazis, rights abuses in Donbas, even about our own government. Should we block such material?”

Meanwhile, a separate thread from Taibbi documented that “Twitter did have a clear political monoculture” — one favoring Democrats.

In one case, Twitter refused to remove an obviously comical spoof of a “Todos Con Biden” event – in which then-candidate Joe Biden supposedly played a pro-Trump song for a crowd of Hispanic voters.

Moderators also refused to label as “deceptive” a video mashup of Biden repeatedly coughing at a campaign event

(Primary documents at the link)

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