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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Lash
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 03:22 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I keep in contact with a few people in Canada—and they express increasing controls on the Canadian people by Trudeau. I obviously concur. When a Canadian here attempted to tell me what I should post about, the correlation was natural.

The governments of the world spread Covid misinformation and good for the truckers for protesting mandatory, unsafe vaccines.

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Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 21 Dec, 2022 03:32 pm
Canada Threatens Free Speech in the Guise of Nationalistic Obsessions
Demands by lawmakers and government officials for locally produced content may lead to online censorship.


J.D. TUCCILLE | 12.19.2022 7:00 AM

https://reason.com/2022/12/19/canada-threatens-free-speech-in-the-guise-of-nationalistic-obsessions/

Canada's government seems determined to shed the country's reputation as a liberal democracy that values civil liberties. The Trudeau cabinet's move earlier in 2022 to financially isolate critics of its restrictive pandemic policies were more than a little chilling. Now several years of constant effort to tame the give-and-take of the internet culminate in legislation that seeks to bring much online speech under state control.

At issue at the moment are actually two bills, C-11 and C-18. C-18 is similar to an earlier Australian law that requires digital platforms to pay for links to news articles. That law resulted in a negotiated compromise after Facebook and other outfits blocked links to Australian news sources. With the tech giants following a similar playbook up north, expect parallel results.


Of greater concern is C-11, which purports to further the government's long-time obsession with promoting Canadian-generated content (known as CanCon) without regard to audience preferences.

"The Act plays an important role in supporting Canada's cultural industries and ensuring Canadian content is available and accessible," insists the Minister of Justice's required statement about the bill. "The Bill would provide the Commission with new powers to regulate online services, and update the Commission's regulatory powers as they relate to traditional broadcasters."

Critics say it goes too far in extending the authority of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission over much online content, no matter what officials claim.

"Under Bill C-11, all platforms hosting audiovisual content that are not specifically excluded must make financial contributions to producing officially recognized 'CanCon'—currently defined by a 1980s-era points system built around legacy media broadcast media," explains OpenMedia, which favors changes in the legislation. "Under Bill C-11 platforms must also make CanCon 'discoverable' by filling our feeds and search results with a mandatory quota of official CanCon content, or face stiff financial penalties from the CRTC."

That raises concerns across the board, but especially for small content producers with limited resources.


"The widespread concern over Bill C-11 has largely focused on the potential CRTC regulation of user content. Despite repeated assurances from the government that 'users are out, platforms are in', the reality is that the bill kept the door open to regulating such content," Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, pointed out earlier this month. "The language in the bill is clear: Section 4.2 grants the CRTC the power to establish regulations on programs (which includes audio and audiovisual content by users). The provision identifies three considerations for the Commission, most notably if the program 'directly or indirectly generates revenues.' The revenue generation provision is what led many digital creators to argue they were caught by the bill and for TikTok to conclude that any video with music would also fall within the ambit of the legislation."

Federal officials did little to soothe concerns by calling for investigations of opponents of the legislation. Then CRTC Chair Ian Scott tried to calm critics by assuring them that "we're not interested in individual uploaded content."

"Indeed, and yet that is the clear language of the act," responded Sen. Paula Simons, an independent representing Alberta.

Senators proposed amendments to exclude content generated by individuals who don't have the resources to comply with intrusive red tape. But there's no guarantee the changes will be adopted. Even the amendments leave a regulatory morass to be navigated by the public.

"Bill C-11 could result in an outflow of talent from the Canadian market," reports The Hub's Geoff Russ. "At least one prominent Canadian YouTuber who runs the popular channel SomeOrdinaryGamers has said they may have to leave Canada if the bill passes without changes."

And the concerns don't stop there.

"Justin Trudeau's government is seizing control of the internet and granting itself sweeping new powers that turn its communications regulator into a political puppet," cautions Peter Menzies, former vice-chair of the CRTC and now a senior fellow with the Macdonald-Laurier Institute. He quotes Len St-Aubin, formerly director general of telecommunications policy with the federal government, as saying, "whether you're one of Canada's YouTube stars like Skyship Entertainment, a broadcaster like CBC and Global, or a major streamer like Disney and Netflix, cabinet will have the power to tell the CRTC how to regulate you … For Canadians, that opens the door to state-controlled media."


State-controlled media seems a long way from nationalistic legislation supposedly crafted to promote domestic media at the expense of content produced beyond the country's borders, no matter how ill-considered and clumsy the law might be. But wide-ranging expansion of government power to regulate the media will inherently limit the options available to Canadians.

"Smaller streaming services that aren't able or willing to create CanCon-mandated content or pay into the [Canada Media Fund] may choose to exclude themselves from the Canadian market altogether, blocking us from even accessing their content," notes OpenMedia.

That's likely to reduce Canadians' media options to large companies that have established and cozy relations with the government and that have to stay on the good side of regulators, themselves. Given that regulators have the power to determine what constitutes "Canadian" content, to promote that which receives its approval, and to penalize anybody or anything deemed insufficiently Canadian, getting crosswise with officials could be dangerous.

"Ultimately, Bill C-11 is about government power: through this legislation, the government wants bureaucrats to have the power to decide what is Canadian content online and what is not, even though the government has not presented a roadmap of exactly how the CRTC would make such a determination," warns the Canadian Taxpayers Federation in a report titled "Bill C-11: A Fatally Flawed Gateway to Government Censorship."

If nothing else, Canada's legislators are demonstrating that laws need not directly target dissent and threaten censorship in order to control and suppress speech. Any regulation of expression is a dangerous extension of state power.

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Trend toward clampdowns on public dissent.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 21 Dec, 2022 03:54 pm
In 1975, Sen. Frank Church warned the nation of the advanced technological expertise wielded by our spy agencies and the horror of the possibility that that all encompassing surveillance could be turned inward on the American people…

And almost 50 years later, it has been.
https://youtu.be/9VYED2q3ej0

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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 21 Dec, 2022 06:48 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Notable events by out of control Trudeau.

Trudeau is even denying basic human rights that are the cornerstone of legitimate government.

The Canadian people have the legal right to topple Canada's government now. I wish them luck in this endeavor.

Maybe one of these years Canada will have a Ceausescu Christmas.
glitterbag
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 11:44 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Walter believes that fascism and/or deprivation of rights is fine if only done for a short time.


Do you and Walter exchange secret msgs? I've never seen Walter write anything of the sort, but then again, do you just resent Walter so much you make things up? That would be sad.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 12:18 am
@glitterbag,
To be honest, this post hurts me enormously.
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glitterbag
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 12:18 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Lash wrote:
Notable events by out of control Trudeau.

Trudeau is even denying basic human rights that are the cornerstone of legitimate government.

The Canadian people have the legal right to topple Canada's government now. I wish them luck in this endeavor.

Maybe one of these years Canada will have a Ceausescu Christmas.



Spend a lot of time studding the Ceausescu dictatorship? I became proficient in Romanian after a full time 7-month every damn day language course and was assigned in Bucharest for a short time in 1988. One of these days we should sit down and discuss all the things we know about Romania and how it was run following WWII. By the way, Romania wasn't on the winning side and they spent years and years stealing from every country they did business with.....possibly because it was a communist country and possibly because the USSR trained them militarily and socially.

I suppose I should take a trip to Canada and see if they are living the kind of unparalleled hell the Romanian people we living in the 70's and 80's. Are the people in Canada starving? The Romanian were, (expect for the Communists) of course. How about hunting, do govt workers run out and chain bears to trees to make it easy for Trudeau to shoot them? No??? The Ceausescu boys did that for Big Nicky.

If you want to hold a grudge against Canada for whatever imaginary offense you are confused about, that's fine with me. But I bet I'm the only person on this forum who actually worked for the US govt on tour in Romania before the Ceausescu's were assassinated. Comparing those two countries in any way other than they both are built on dirt, is asinine and incredibly low IQ. Take the test again.
Lash
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 03:43 am
Quote:
Maybe one of these years Canada will have a Ceausescu Christmas.


Perhaps so, if the unabated slide to tight government controls continues.
hightor
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 06:44 am
Quote:
...fascism and/or deprivation of rights...


Would forcing a privately-owned social media company to violate its own terms of use and post material disallowed by its stated content policy deprive anyone of their rights?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 08:10 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Quote:
Maybe one of these years Canada will have a Ceausescu Christmas.
Perhaps so, if the unabated slide to tight government controls continues.
(It was on Christmas Day 30 years ago that Romania's tyrannical communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu was executed by a firing squad after a summary trial.)
And who would execute Trudeau?
And the world will look silent if oralloy's and Lash's phantasies happen?

I don't think Canada is an isolationist state and lives under a communist dictator with Trudeau in luxurious, palatial homes and the citizens have a lack of basics, such as food, heating, and lighting.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2022 10:31 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
If you want to hold a grudge against Canada for whatever imaginary offense you are confused about, that's fine with me.

Reality is hardly imaginary.

Why would I hold a grudge? I'm not Canadian. It's not my fundamental human rights that are being violated.
oralloy
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 10:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
And who would execute Trudeau?

The Canadian people, if they get tired of unrelenting tyranny.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
And the world will look silent if oralloy's and Lash's phantasies happen?

The world would cheer and offer congratulations to the Canadian people. I would join with the world in doing this.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
I don't think Canada is an isolationist state and lives under a communist dictator with Trudeau in luxurious, palatial homes and the citizens have a lack of basics, such as food, heating, and lighting.

They are however a tyrannical regime that is violating the fundamental human rights of its citizenry.
Real Music
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 10:38 am
@Lash,
FULL SPEECH: Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy
addresses Joint Session of Congress.


December 21, 2022


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Real Music
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 11:10 am
Omnibus bill could help ‘Prevent another plot io overturn an Election’


December 20, 2022


Real Music
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 11:13 am
Electoral Count Act Reform ‘doesn’t fix everything’ But makes critical repairs.’


December 20, 2022


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 11:58 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
They are however a tyrannical regime that is violating the fundamental human rights of its citizenry.
According to your intemperate opinion, which is also characterised by the wrong interpretation of fixed terms (e.g. tyranny, that would be in Canada King Charles III since the monarchy of Canada is Canada's form of government).

Apart from that, you compared Canada today with Romania, where the citizens lacked basics, such as food, heating, and lighting, and the communist, dictatorial presidential couple lived in luxurious, palatial homes.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2022 12:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That is incorrect. Facts are not opinions. And it is a fact that the Canadian government is violating the basic human rights of its citizens.

Another fact: This violation of basic human rights invalidates the legitimacy of the Canadian government and justifies any attempt by the Canadian people to overthrow their government.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2022 12:17 pm
@oralloy,
Get educated: Canada is a constitutional monarchy, the Crown is the corporation sole, assuming distinct roles: the executive, as the Crown-in-Council; the legislature, as the Crown-in-Parliament; and the courts, as the Crown-on-the-Bench.

glitterbag
 
  3  
Thu 22 Dec, 2022 03:19 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

glitterbag wrote:
If you want to hold a grudge against Canada for whatever imaginary offense you are confused about, that's fine with me.

Reality is hardly imaginary.

Why would I hold a grudge? I'm not Canadian. It's not my fundamental human rights that are being violated.


I don't know, you have a lot of opinions that would embarrass anyone who could read a history book or read actual news reports. If you had ever set foot in an actual communist country while it was still communist, looked around and then compared Canada to it, your mother would be blushing bright red and your father would demand a DNA test.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2022 03:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Sorry. I do not find such trivia very interesting.

No amount of trivia will change the fact that the Canadian government is violating basic human rights and has forfeited its legitimacy.
 

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