Rising fascism in the US

What do you think we should do? Force China to abide with the U.S FOIA restriction? China will looooovvvvvvveeeee that.

Compared to the BLM riots, yeah. Pretty peaceful.

There's nothing to stop another zoonotic disease as long as people are harvesting wildlife and selling animals in public markets. The human population is more vulnerable to viral outbreaks than ever before – exploitation of wildlife, global transportation, large-scale human migration, decline in public health services, misinformation causing vaccine skepticism, and a rapidly warming planet combine to put humans worldwide in considerable peril. "Impatience" seems a rather unfitting response to an unfolding crisis.

Recent FOIA information demands uncover unsafe conditions at the Wuhan clinic where substandard protocols were likely to blame for the pandemic.

The faults that caused this situation haven’t been investigated and remediated.

The left favors war against freedom and civil liberties. The right favors war for freedom and civil liberties.

Since America is all about freedom and civil liberties, the left favors war against America and the right favors war in support of America.

Currently, there are two factions considered ‘the left’ in the US. Neither of them are actually ’left’ by the standards of the rest of the world.

You, if I’m correct, despise what you consider the policies of Democrats: identity politics, seeming promotion of multiple genders / gender-switching?. I’m not sure what your other complaints are. (Edit: you are correct as hell that establishment democrats are doing their best to censor speech. I’m left and I’m fighting against censorship every day from 8 - 8 like I’m chopping wood.🤨 )

There’s a distinctly different group who hates democrats as much as you do, calling themselves ’left,’ who hate identity politics, who regularly call democrats on their neocon behavior, who are 100% anti-war in all situations but self-defense. We’re agitating for transparency, free speech, and peace.

I actually think you’d find a great deal of agreement with democrats if you didn’t focus on personalities. They love war too. They love feeding the MIC. They love tax breaks for the rich. Those are your policies, right?

It’s not easy to have a productive conversation with you about politics because when you refer to political parties, I don’t know who you’re talking about.

Nor will they be. I'm pointing out that whether a lab leak occurred or not, there are already naturally-occurring pathogens that can cross species and eventually find human hosts. So while we may never get a clear picture of what did or didn't happen in the Wuhan lab China might at least try to limit zoonotic transmission by shutting down trade in wild animals sold for human consumption.

Yeah, insurrections happen all the time.

I've seen it before, though, most recently during the Reagan era. Periodically the political left which allies with the Democratic Party gets tied up in the contradiction between praxis and idealism. When this compromise is seen as unacceptable capitulation some leftists will eschew organized politics and find other cultural vehicles to carry the cause. And the religious left is one option.

If you ever happen upon an example of this phenomenon, I’d appreciate you sharing it. I don’t have a reference for what you’re describing.

I mean, I hope it’s large scale. Seems more like a story about Bob, a guy you knew in the 80s.🤨

Or about Lash, for that manner.

Look, if you suspend your adversarial manner for a moment you might see that I'm not attacking you, nor am I criticizing the left. You've stated your disappointment with left-wing Democrats. You've quoted Greenwald saying that there's no U.S. left. But what about people like Chris Hedges and Cornell West? What I'm saying is that when political leftists get mired down in compromise there are other left-wing thinkers and movements that progressives can take some solace in, such as the clear moral positions argued by those two, among others. Defining "the left" solely as the liberal Democrats in Congress seems artificial.

Traitor! You think the running dogs of capitalism will willingly surrender the state and turn over the means of production without a conflict?

You misinterpreted me. I didn’t feel adversarial at all—from you or toward you.
Didn’t I stick an emoji up there for tone help?

Hedges and Cornel are personally religious, but the group they belong in are a mix of agnostics, atheists, Black Liberation, Fred Hampton revolution, former Sanders ‘lefties’, and independents—decidedly not religious left or pacifists. Just people who see how the American machine manipulates war.

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Most assuredly not. I’ve seen plenty of evidence.🕊

What is very strange to me is that a lot of the religious left has aligned with the non believing orange baboon (?)!

I couldn’t believe Franklin Graham excused Melania’s soft porn career by saying God gave her a beautiful body…. The religious right has 0 scruples any more.

I guess they morphed into the religious right!

Wait. There’s a religious left?? I misread.
I don’t think there’s any such thing.

Yeah, who knew?

"For generations, American politics has been defined by the outsize influence of Christian conservatives, so much so that the intersection of religion and politics is often treated as the sole province of white evangelicals. And for generations, promises of a rising “religious left” have come and gone without any lasting political imprint.

But to look at America’s religious left at this moment is to see something genuinely different. Places of worship are participating in demonstrations for civil rights larger than any protest movement in American history. Democrats like the Rev. Raphael Warnock and Joe Biden—political leaders whose faith isn’t just incidental to their public personas, but is a core component of both their identities and their appeal to voters—are staging important victories. The National Congregations Study, an annual survey of America’s places of worship, found 41 percent of self-identified liberal congregations lobbied or marched about immigration in 2018–19; in 2012, it was only 5 percent. Long locked out of power, a growing religious left is pounding on the door. And it has the potential to remake not only American politics, but the way we think about big questions of fairness, justice and what Americans owe to one another."

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/25/religious-left-politics-liberal-471640