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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
BillW
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2022 09:59 pm
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson resigns after mutiny in his party

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07/europe/boris-johnson-resignation-intl/index.html

This is one of the qualities of the British Government I admire. When the ruler of his party in power can not rule - he either resigns or it forces an election!

In all truth, he was heads and tails above Trump. Of course, this still is a very low bar...........
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jul, 2022 10:20 pm
@BillW,
Johnson was brought down by members of his party and his government.
Trump has stared down those in his party, even after the attack on the Capitol.
BillW
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2022 10:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I realize this Walter. In the US it is a requirement of 50% in the House of Representative and 67% in the Senate - a very high bar in a 2 party system. In Great Britain it is ultimately a call for an election, ie; the people decide. This means it doesn't become a "political" vote thing for his party to decide in the open.

Of course, Boris decided to resign when he lost confidence of his majority. I can assure you that most Republican politicians hate Trump. Trump committed all of Boris's "sins" in multiples - except alcohol. In fact, he may have earned a trip to prison; but, may get out of that result by agreeing to not run for office again. Same as Nixon did - except he agreed to resign!
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 12:26 am
@BillW,
He didn't decide to resign, he was forced, about a year too late as well.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 07:55 am
Editorial: Florida sets up a witch hunt for liberal professors

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At the University of Virginia this spring, for instance, a student group invited former Vice President Mike Pence to speak on campus. An editorial in a student newspaper said Pence threatened the lives of vulnerable people on campus and didn’t deserve a platform. The school should cancel his speech, it said, but the university held its ground. In the end, Pence’s speech went off without a hitch. In other words, things happened as they should. The university stood behind diversity of opinion, as universities have been doing across the nation.

Far from making people with dissenting views feel comfortable on campus, the new Florida law threatens to turn universities into spy-and-sue zones based on speech. It would require annual surveys of students to check on “intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity.” A survey to determine whether students find their schools or instructors are repressing open discussion might sound reasonable. But what if the survey finds that most opinions on campus are liberal? Has the school somehow flunked the “viewpoint diversity” test? Schools shouldn’t need a set percentage of conservative students or any other particular political group. What schools need are procedures for informing students about the right to free speech and the necessity of tolerating varied viewpoints while arguing the issues in civil ways. Most colleges already have this.
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hightor
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 11:24 am


Thanks to FOX news and the usual bunch of hyper-vigilant right-wing paranoids we can't discuss disinformation, let alone do anything about exposing the sources and neutralizing the message – I guess we all knew this would happen:

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Disinformation Has Become Another Untouchable Problem in Washington

Numerous federal agencies agree that widely promoted falsehoods threaten the nation’s security. Doing something about them is another matter.

WASHINGTON — The memo that reached the top of the Department of Homeland Security in September could not have been clearer about its plan to create a board to monitor national security threats caused by the spread of dangerous disinformation.

The department, it said, “should not attempt to be an all-purpose arbiter of truth in the public arena.”

Yet when Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas announced the disinformation board in April, Republican lawmakers and conservative commentators denounced it as exactly that, calling it an Orwellian attempt to stifle dissenting views. So did some critics from the left, who questioned the powers that such an office might wield in the hands of future Republican administrations.

Within weeks, the new board was dismantled — put on “pause,” officially — undone in part by forces it was meant to combat, including distortions of the board’s intent and powers.

There is wide agreement across the federal government that coordinated disinformation campaigns threaten to exacerbate public health emergencies, stoke ethnic and racial divisions and even undermine democracy itself. The board’s fate, however, has underscored how deeply partisan the issue has become in Washington, making it nearly impossible to consider addressing the threat.

The failure to act, according to experts, has left openings for new waves of disinformation ahead of November’s midterm elections — and even for violence like the racist massacre at a Buffalo supermarket in May, which was motivated by a baseless conspiracy theory that global forces aimed to “replace” white Americans with immigrants.

“I think we’re in a really bleak situation here in this country,” said Nina Jankowicz, who briefly served as the board’s director before resigning when the controversy boiled over.

A prominent author and researcher in the field of disinformation, who once advised Ukraine’s government, Ms. Jankowicz became a focus of the furor, targeted online by false or misleading information about her role in what critics denounced as a Ministry of Truth.

“It’s hard to imagine how we get back from this,” she said in an interview, “when this is how our elected representatives are behaving — when we can’t agree on, you know, what is the truth.”

The threats from disinformation today involve issues that not long ago might have transcended partisan politics. Instead, disinformation has become mired in the country’s deepening partisan and geographical divides over issues like abortion, guns and climate change.

Even during the Trump administration, the Department of Homeland Security recognized the threat. The agency, along with the director of national intelligence, commissioned a 2019 study that concluded that disinformation could, among other things, “aggravate existing societal fissures” and “cause panic that reverberates through financial markets.”

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the State Department and the Pentagon warned repeatedly of threats from foreign sources of disinformation. The Federal Election Commission held a symposium before the 2020 elections to address the issue as well.

By then, however, a partisan divide over the issue had already begun to take shape.

Its roots began in Russia’s interference in the 2016 election of President Donald J. Trump, which he and his allies repeatedly denounced as fake despite evidence compiled by federal investigators about Russian complicity.

Disinformation that continues to swirl around Covid-19 and the 2020 election of President Biden — which Mr. Trump continues to insist, against all evidence, was a fraud — has made many Republicans view the very fight against disinformation as a partisan assault.

“You can’t even use the word ‘disinformation’ today without it having a political connotation,” said John Cohen, a former top intelligence official at the Department of Homeland Security, who participated in discussions about addressing national security threats fueled by the internet-enabled rapid spread of false information.

By all accounts, the department failed to anticipate the furor that the creation of the advisory panel would cause — as well as the ease with which critics would tar it with the very kind of campaigns it was meant to monitor.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/06/22/business/00misinfo-dc4/merlin_206507154_029549d6-911c-419d-89ec-aa5f77788116-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
A Republican rally in Greensburg, Pa., before the Pennsylvania primary in May.

Mr. Mayorkas announced the board, offhand, at a budget hearing in April, followed by a Twitter post from Ms. Jankowicz. By then, the board had already been operating for two months, though it had not yet met formally.

In addition to its new director, its staff included four officials detailed from other parts of the department. It did not yet have a dedicated budget or enforcement authority. Even so, conservative commentators, including Jack Posobiec, pounced, joined by conservative media and Republican officials.

The board quickly became a new foil in an old Republican campaign narrative that overbearing Democrats want to intrude deeper and deeper into people’s personal beliefs — “canceling” conservative values. Ms. Jankowicz’s prominence in the discussion of Russia’s actions made her a particular target for the Republicans.

“The right recognizes it is a way to whip up people in a furor,” Ms. Jankowicz said. “The problem is there are very real national security issues here, and not being able to talk about this in a mature way is a real disservice to the country.”

Opposition came not only from the right, however.

Three rights organizations — Protect Democracy, the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University and the Electronic Frontier Foundation — welcomed the department’s recognition of the scale of the problem but cited the department’s “history of flouting the Constitution in flagrant ways” as reason enough to be wary.

“In the wrong hands, such a board would be a potent tool for government censorship and retaliation,” they wrote in a letter to Mr. Mayorkas, calling for the department to reconsider the board.

The damage was done, forcing Mr. Mayorkas to reverse course. He put the board’s work on hold, pending a review from the department’s advisory council that is expected to be completed by Aug. 1.

He asked a bipartisan pair of former officials to review the issue of fighting disinformation: Michael Chertoff, the department’s secretary under President George W. Bush, and Jamie S. Gorelick, deputy attorney general under President Bill Clinton. Few expect the board to be reconstituted in anything like its intended form.

The rising polarization of disinformation — like so many other issues — has hamstrung the search for solutions by Congress and the Biden administration.

Legislation like the Honest Ads Act, which would regulate political advertising online the way it is on television or radio, has been stalled for years. The United States has failed to act on privacy or other matters to rein in the power of social media giants even as Europe, for example, has moved to force them to disclose how their services amplify divisive content and stop targeting online ads according to a person’s ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation.

In Washington, there is not even agreement on the threats, with Republicans seizing on the fight against disinformation as an effort to silence conservative voices.

According to internal Homeland Security Department documents that established the board, they include crises ripped from today’s headlines: Misinformation that undercuts public health emergencies. Human traffickers who sow falsehoods to steer immigrants on dangerous journeys across the southern border. Conspiracy theories that beget violence against state and local election workers.

The documents were made public by two Republican senators who vocally attacked the board, Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Josh Hawley of Missouri. They cited them as evidence not of the need to combat disinformation but rather of the board’s nefarious aims, even though the memorandums all emphasized the principal need to protect free speech. Among the documents, though, were talking points that Mr. Mayorkas had received for a meeting with officials from Twitter to address disinformation, which the senators characterized as an effort “to suppress disfavored content.”

Mr. Grassley did not respond to a request for comment. A spokeswoman for Mr. Hawley, Abigail Marone, said President Biden was “intent on leading the most anti-First Amendment administration in American history.”

“His idea of ‘disinformation’ is parents speaking out about their kids being taught critical race theory or concerned Americans asking legitimate questions about Covid vaccines,” she added. “Biden’s aim is to use the power of the federal government to shut speech down.”

The Department of Homeland Security added the threat of false information to its periodic national terrorism advisory bulletins for the first time in February. “The United States remains in a heightened threat environment fueled by several factors, including an online environment filled with false or misleading narratives and conspiracy theories,” the warning said.

Foreign and domestic actors, the bulletin added, “seek to exacerbate societal friction to sow discord and undermine public trust in government institutions to encourage unrest, which could potentially inspire acts of violence.” At that time, Senator Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, declared that the department was “policing the speech, thoughts and opinions of American citizens.”

The department reiterated that warning in a bulletin last month.

“We’re basically at this point unable to have a calm discussion about this problem,” said Paul Barrett, the deputy director of the Stern Center for Business and Human Rights at New York University. “And there’s a weird, circular, looping-around effect. The problem itself is helping make us unable to talk about the problem.”

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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 01:20 pm
@hightor,
I am wondering, do you see any light at the end of this horribly dark tunnel? Any way to fight it and actually win it? The way I see it, we are blocked on every single exit to get to any light, if there is indeed any light to be had.
hightor
 
  4  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 02:31 pm
@revelette1,
It's difficult to see an easy way out. The conservatives have been methodically working to achieve this takeover for thirty years. Then Trump arrived on the scene and managed to convince many Democrats and independents to vote against Hillary; this really sped up the process. Covid arrived and completely skewed the global economy – plus it opened up an even greater gulf between the two sides. The last piece fell into place when we elected lusterless Joe Biden as inflation began to pick up pace. It was the perfect confluence of events. Of course, when the GOP comes to power this mess will be theirs. If they mismanage everything and if the Democrats can unify around a single message we might be able to stall some of the proposed measures – like scrapping Social Security and Medicare. But by that time the climate crisis will be getting into high gear...
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coluber2001
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 03:55 pm
Fascism failed in the past because of its lying, stupid, corrupt, and ruthless leaders. But surely this time it's different. Trump is honest, intelligent, righteous, and compassionate. What could go wrong?
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 05:08 pm
@coluber2001,
Trump is not a fascist no matter how often you say it.
vikorr
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 05:37 pm
@McGentrix,
Probably the closest politician to a fascist there is in the west:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is a far-right
authoritarian (tick)
ultranationalist (tick - make America great again)
characterized by dictatorial power (aiming for this tick)
militarism
forcible suppression of opposition (verbal suppresion of opposing media, suppression of internal opposition)
belief in a natural social hierarchy (tick - stack all cards in favour of him and his friends)
subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation
strong regimentation of society and the economy (tick - stack all cards in favour of him and his friends)

Really though, it seems to me the above were predictable outcomes of his personality even before he got into power. How anyone expected anything different once he got a hold of power, I don't know.
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 06:46 pm
@vikorr,
That's a fine list of made up and exaggerated ticks.
vikorr
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 08:31 pm
@McGentrix,
I couldn't agree more - just like anything you've said is made up, for in the end, we all come to conclusions that exist almost entirely in our own head.

Some admit this, others don't. The questions as I see it are:
- are you able to logically reason, without ignoring anything, the conclusions that exist in your own head?
- Do you admit where you are guessing?
- Do you understand and allow different perspectives? etc
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2022 09:18 pm
@vikorr,
Let us look at your examples

Fascism is a far-right

authoritarian "Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom." Who could be more for individual freedom than Trump? Like any politician in America, he had to have support of his party which means lots of negotiation and compromise. Despite your dislike of the man, he is a really good negotiator. Also, give me a couple concrete example of what you consider to be Trump's "authoritarian" ways.

ultranationalist (make America great again) LOL, you think that is a bad thing? He campaigned on that, he made promises about that and he won the election because of that. It is hardly "ultranationalist"... You say it like an insult, I see it as someone that puts their nation above others and that is EXACTLY what I expect any President of the United States to do.

characterized by dictatorial power - Not a single of example of Trump being a "Dictator" None...

militarism - How many wars did Trump get involved in? How many new military campaigns did he marshal as Commander in Chief of the greatest military in human history? Oh, wait, none? Well, must have declared Martial Law and used the military against fellow Americans then, right? Oh, wait, he didn't do that either.

forcible suppression of opposition (verbal suppresion of opposing media, suppression of internal opposition) Telling a reporter to shut their cake hole is hardly forcible suppression. Twitter shutting down Conservative voices on their platform is forcible suppression...

belief in a natural social hierarchy (tick - stack all cards in favour of him and his friends) Rich people are rich. That's America. I'm not rich, but I harbor no ill will against those that are. I have several rich friends and they have worked their asses off to become that way.

subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation
strong regimentation of society and the economy (tick - stack all cards in favour of him and his friends) That is not what that means. That is not it at all.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sat 9 Jul, 2022 04:02 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:


Let us look at your examples

Fascism is a far-right

authoritarian "Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom." Who could be more for individual freedom than Trump? Like any politician in America, he had to have support of his party which means lots of negotiation and compromise. Despite your dislike of the man, he is a really good negotiator. Also, give me a couple concrete example of what you consider to be Trump's "authoritarian" ways.

ultranationalist (make America great again) LOL, you think that is a bad thing? He campaigned on that, he made promises about that and he won the election because of that. It is hardly "ultranationalist"... You say it like an insult, I see it as someone that puts their nation above others and that is EXACTLY what I expect any President of the United States to do.

characterized by dictatorial power - Not a single of example of Trump being a "Dictator" None...

militarism - How many wars did Trump get involved in? How many new military campaigns did he marshal as Commander in Chief of the greatest military in human history? Oh, wait, none? Well, must have declared Martial Law and used the military against fellow Americans then, right? Oh, wait, he didn't do that either.

forcible suppression of opposition (verbal suppresion of opposing media, suppression of internal opposition) Telling a reporter to shut their cake hole is hardly forcible suppression. Twitter shutting down Conservative voices on their platform is forcible suppression...

belief in a natural social hierarchy (tick - stack all cards in favour of him and his friends) Rich people are rich. That's America. I'm not rich, but I harbor no ill will against those that are. I have several rich friends and they have worked their asses off to become that way.

subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation
strong regimentation of society and the economy (tick - stack all cards in favour of him and his friends) That is not what that means. That is not it at all.


McG...what on Earth has happened to you?

You should pay a monitor to delete this last post of yours. It is an abomination to reason and intelligence.
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vikorr
 
  3  
Sat 9 Jul, 2022 06:17 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Let us look at your examples
You do realise they weren't my examples? They were taken directly from wikipedias description of fascism. hence why I placed 'ticks' against some but not others.

Quote:
Who could be more for individual freedom than Trump?
The man who sacked everyone who disagreed with him, attacked media freedom constantly - but only when they disagreed with him, and who lost every one of the many, many courtcases he ran to try and get an election overthrown, then incited an insurrection against the change of government? Sure...if you call that freedom loving, then we have very different definitions of freedom loving.

Quote:
you think that is a bad thing
I made no comment on whether it was good or bad. I made comment that it matched a description from wikipedia.

Quote:
characterized by dictatorial power - Not a single of example of Trump being a "Dictator" None...
And I didn't say there was. I said he aims to be one (which is of course, my own view)

As I look down your list of objections I see that you take the absolute view to each...where I said he was the closest leader to a fascist that the west has...which is not an absolute. A lot of your arguments seem to be based around this difference. The remainder stems from a very large difference in perception of Trumps personality.

You are welcome to your opinion. But that is all it is. An opinion.
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hightor
 
  4  
Sat 9 Jul, 2022 06:18 am
@McGentrix,
I consider him a right-wing populist who is not afraid to embrace certain fascist tropes...

Quote:
Who could be more for individual freedom than Trump?

Someone who embraces reproductive rights, for starters.
Quote:

ultranationalist (make America great again) LOL, you think that is a bad thing?

Yes.
Quote:
characterized by dictatorial power - Not a single of example of Trump being a "Dictator" None...

"I alone can fix it."
Quote:
...he is a really good negotiator.

Citation?
Quote:
How many wars did Trump get involved in?

That's not the sole determinant of militarism. He boasted about "his generals", he started the "Space Force", he glorified the military and even wanted a military parade in the capital – maybe a better question would be how many peace treaties did he broker? How many times did he step in as an intermediary to solve long running international conflicts?
Quote:
Telling a reporter to shut their cake hole is hardly forcible suppression.

Labeling the free press as the "enemy of the people" is a classic authoritarian move.
Quote:
Twitter shutting down Conservative voices on their platform is forcible suppression...

There are plenty of conservative voices on that social media outlet; the accounts that were closed advocated violence or purveyed medical misinformation during a pandemic – those aren't "conservative" beliefs.
Quote:
I have several rich friends and they have worked their asses off to become that way.

That's a meaningless anecdotal example. 10% of USAmericans hold 76% of the wealth and own 89% of U.S. stocks. This is a trend. Income disparity isn't something to be cheered. You want another anecdote? I have several low-income friends who have worked their asses off only to stay that way.

The bottom line, however, is that he lied to his supporters and encouraged an armed mob to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. That's the sort of politcal action beloved by dictators, authoritarians, and fascists.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 9 Jul, 2022 12:27 pm
Hello again to my old friends and interlocutors here. I hope Blatham and all are well and surviving these increasingly troubled times. I looked in again to see how the dialogue is going. It appears to have gotten a bit more monotone, with even fewer voices resisting an increasingly strident (and complacent) majority.

“Rising fascism in the US”. I wonder about the implied reference here. The term describes an authoritarian state with high degrees of central government controls over resource allocations, economic activity, education, social behavior and acceptable political doctrine. It may well be true!

Interesting argument above…. . 'Right wing disinformation campaigns' are the main force behind alleged rising racial divisions and the fast-rising rates of violent crimes and crimes against property - issues that are oddly concentrated in Democrat-led states. It couldn't possibly lie in the irrational racisms implicit in the "woke" doctrines now being advanced throughout our society; the 'defund the police' movements advocated by Democrat Politicians in major cities or the refusals of various prosecutors in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, St Louis, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and other Democrat run cities, to enforce prosecutions of increasingly serious crimes. (However, in New York they are apparently eager to prosecute self-defense in the face of violent attack)

The sad, indeed tragic, comedy underlying the breathtaking and continuing incompetence of the Biden Administration, its doctrinaire execution of ill-conceived policies in pursuit of its climate obsessions and its imagined "liberal world order" - is creating a new, dismal chapter in the history of our country.

The mindless denial of responsibility by our demented President and his incompetent but very complacent press aides), recalls an old joke about the definition of "Irish Alzheimer's" -- "They forget everything but the grudge". In the case of poor old Joe, he's lost everything but his bombast and belligerence.

The ongoing inflation in our economy (which, contrary to Biden's mindless assertions, is indeed greater than that of most developed countries) is a clear result of three factors. (1) Biden’s truly idiotic forced reduction of our petroleum output (we then had a small but fast growing surplus over consumption (which would have been very useful in today’s world); (2) His very large second round of COVID subsidies, payments and giveaways now foolishly detached from employment (just as businesses started reopening), which fed huge sums into an already overheating economy, and (3) a FED that after two decades of low inflation and accelerating economic growth , was asleep at the switch.

A quick glance at the CPI (Consumer price index) data on the Fed, BLS web site tells the story. The monthly reported CPI (now at 8.5%/yr. is the weighted average of about 25 categories (some broken down into sub-categories) each reflecting the trailing 12 month % price growth of the indicated item. Fuel and Energy costs lead them all at about 25%/yr. The diesel fuel that powers our transportation system is up over 107% - and it directly affects the price of everything else – a continuing factor in the still rising prices of everything.
Analogous factors affected Europe as well, but in their cases curtailed supplies of Russian Petroleum and grain replaced some of our self-inflicted wounds.

Compounding the folly, our electrical grid is already overburdened by demand, and now increasingly fed by diurnally variable wind and solar sources, is increasingly subject to brownouts during periods of high demand. Biden’s rather odd insistence in accelerating the transition of our transportation system to electric power (which will require a 40% increase in electrical generation capacity) done in the complete absence of any program to facilitate the construction of new generating capacity (it takes at least four years to complete the just the permitting process for any transmission line or generating plant.) is truly idiotic.

Finally the continuing chaos and deaths at our southern border - a direct result of the refusal of the current Administration to enforce existing lawn - is a continuing contribution to a growing public sense of decay and disintegration on our society

In these circumstances it would be very hard to credit the current Administration and its Congressional majorities with any meaningful forethought or planning in a series of policy choices that are already bringing down our economy, and causing widespread and real hardship to large numbers of people – who, based on recent polling data, are rapidly changing their political allegiances. Interestingly the protected elites who increasingly dominate Democrat policies see little of these effects. The very predictable Mid-term election results are likely to surprise them.



hightor
 
  2  
Sat 9 Jul, 2022 03:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Hi georgeob1! Watching the Jan 6 hearings?

Quote:
In the case of poor old Joe, he's lost everything but his bombast and belligerence.


Somehow, "bombast and belligerence" don't readily come to mind when describing Mr. Biden!

Quote:
(3) a FED that after two decades of low inflation and accelerating economic growth , was asleep at the switch.


The covid-induced shock to the global economy is unprecedented in the past 70 years. Sure, in hindsight, it all looks so clear – but you know damn well what the reaction would have been had Powell started raising interest rates during the covid economic slowdown. This is the economic system you support and revere – the "business cycle"– which has been with us for a long time and inspired Marx's critical economic analysis. The cure is a recession. Quit acting so outraged – unless you direct your outrage against late-stage capitalism.

Quote:
(2) His very large second round of COVID subsidies, payments and giveaways now foolishly detached from employment (just as businesses started reopening), which fed huge sums into an already overheating economy


I notice that you give Trump a free ride on the two covid subsidies his administration handed out and have said nothing about the fraud and mismanagement in the Paycheck Protection Program.

Quote:
Compounding the folly, our electrical grid is already overburdened by demand...


Blah-blah-blah – environmentalists have been sounding this alarm for years.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Jul, 2022 04:22 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

The covid-induced shock to the global economy is unprecedented in the past 70 years. Sure, in hindsight, it all looks so clear – but you know damn well what the reaction would have been had Powell started raising interest rates during the covid economic slowdown. [/quote}
The readily verifiable fact is that many experienced Economists including prominent former advisors to Democrat presidents were calling for FED action long before Powell began.

[quote-hightor"] This is the economic system you support and revere – the "business cycle"– which has been with us for a long time and inspired Marx's critical economic analysis. The cure is a recession. Quit acting so outraged – unless you direct your outrage against late-stage capitalism.
The recession now before us was demonstrably a direct result of unnecessary government spending and very stupid and poorly thought out actions talen immediately on taking office by President Biden.

Just what is "Late Stage Capitalism"? Are you then a reverent admirer of Marx' now thoroughly discredited economic theories? I'll concede that even after a century marked by human suffering, injustice and poverty resulting from concerted and sustained application of these theories - all in efforts to create "new socialist man" and a "workers paradise". that yielded only tyranny, suffering and poverty -- these discredited ideas are becoming again fashionable among some, unable to think clearly for themselves.

 

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