Rising fascism in the US

@Lash,

Whoopie is definitely no progressive. I don't believe she was purposely being malicious here, but I don't see her as being in the same political spectrum as I.

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@Lash,

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She’s not a progressive. Obv from her statement.

Is it really? Care to break down this conclusion.

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@Lash,

Not an "all Palestinians are vermin," progressive like you Lash, she's not one of those.

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Progressives don’t champion neolibs.

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I agree with Jon Stewart.
Don’t censor; engage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/sjgztl/jon_stewart_defends_joe_rogan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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😭 Whoopi Goldberg suggested Jill Biden should be Surgeon General.
…cause she’s a doctor…

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@Lash,

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Whoopi Goldberg suggested Jill Biden should be Surgeon General.

Well, I guess I won't be voting for either of them.

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@Lash,

Progressives don't champion Apartheid States.

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@Lash,

Goldberg acknowledged the slip-up later during the episode ["The View", 04.03.2020], saying, "I was wrong about his wife. I was wrong, before you start texting and emailing". (The Hill)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes, incredibly wrong, but still spouted on a news/ current events commentary show that Jill Biden should be Surgeon General.

I wonder, if someone at Fox News made such a ridiculous mistake, would you be defending them?

I guess this is what the whole thing is about to me: equal treatment of people who make these disgusting or just bone-headed comments.

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@hightor,

Guess we won’t be voting for Joe Rogan either.

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@Lash,

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if someone at Fox News made such a ridiculous mistake

"If"?

Your reputation and credibility as a voice for the progressive community is further burnished.

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Here's a portion of what Josh Marshall (Jewish) wrote today at TPM

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" This whole episode is a testament to the general insipidness of our public culture.

Goldberg’s comments were clearly rooted in ignorance rather than malevolence. She not only issued a genuine apology rather than a half-assed ‘I’m sorry if anyone was offended’ type apology. She also spoke to people, privately and publicly, and seemingly learned why her comments were wrongheaded and corrected herself. ABC’s suspension was needless and stupid. It will be derided as ‘cancel culture’. But it’s really more the kind of corporate ass-covering that only discredits the values it purports to serve...

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@blatham,

Not really. It’s actually emphasized.

One thing progressives have in common is that they aren’t cheerleaders for one of the two corrupt political parties in this country.

They do hold out hope that either the Democrats will return to their initial role of championing the average American or a new party will emerge to fill that void.

Shitlibs, as they’re affectionately called, or neolibs don’t want change, so they police words and make accusations against anyone who doesn’t buy their dictionary completely. No thinking, no substance, no effective commitment to average Americans.

Bernie Sanders appealed to those people on Fox.

Just as Jon Stewart said—Not censorship, but engagement is the right thing to do, but the power behind the two corrupt parties keep the division brewing. They profit from it.

I deplore it. I don’t appreciate the brainless cheerleaders who help the oligarchs and their well-paid minions.

If you defend Idiot A for the same thing you deride Idiot B for, I have little regard for your opinions.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Yes, incredibly wrong, but still spouted on a news/ current events commentary show that Jill Biden should be Surgeon General.

I wonder, if someone at Fox News made such a ridiculous mistake, would you be defending them?

I guess this is what the whole thing is about to me: equal treatment of people who make these disgusting or just bone-headed comments.

I rethought this comment: it’s not really about equal treatment—but equal judgment.

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Wouldn’t Goldberg be facing jail time for that statement if she’d made that comment on German TV…?

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@Lash,

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Wouldn’t Goldberg be facing jail time for that statement if she’d made that comment on German TV…?

No.
a) you don't go to jail here as quick as in the USA,
b) saying that the Holocaust has nothing to do with race would a bit peculiar funny (if done in German), since "race" is either related to an animal breed or the Nazi period. (We don't classify humans in races due the period when it was done here.).

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@Lash,

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Guess we won’t be voting for Joe Rogan either.

It's a different situation, though. The criticism of Rogan has to do with the disingenuous way he's able to increase his (and Spotify's) all-important audience ratings by providing a platform for people to knowingly spread disinformation about (in this case) a public health emergency. A great many people will simply listen to the guest who confirms their biased opinion, which they then feel encouraged to share with others. It doesn't matter if he has other guests on who are honest or if he himself encourages people to look at all sides – the damage is done, the lie attains legitimacy. Anyway, this controversy has died down and I doubt Rogan will be using it as a springboard to political office.

I made a throwaway comment about not voting for either of the two women to suggest that, ultimately, there's not that much there. Goldberg is a TV personality, actor, and comedian. Biden – like MLK – fulfilled the educational requirements to be addressed as "Dr." A Ph.D. can be awarded in a wide variety of fields, including the sciences, engineering and humanities. Blowing up little kerfuffles like this and trying to turn them into scandals signals, as Obama once said, a nation in the midst of a “political silly season.”

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@hightor,

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“political silly season.”

Yeah. She's a celebrity so media run with it as always. But the vitriolic stuff against Goldberg is almost entirely being pushed by right wing voices. The ADL, after a conversation with her and after her apology, is fine with her.

PS... Canada has laws criminalizing hate speech (which have resulted in many indictments and often in jail time). There's zero chance this would ever come before a court here. Tucker Carlson would be quite another matter.

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@hightor,

What I see is you guys (and popular media) falling over yourselves to defend Whoopi, who has a job as a political / news commentator — while this average guy- type actor who likes to talk on a podcast and just got too popular for some people— is vilified for departing in his opinion from the national narrative, a narrative which has been proven wrong on a few occasions over time.

I think it exemplifies bias and hypocrisy.

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