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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Trudeau’s quote vilifies a citizen group, unfairly characterizes all people who choose not to be vaccinated with misogynists and racists, and alludes to removing them from society.

Out of Goebbel’s textbook.
It is dangerous.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:33 am
https://youtu.be/BM4OCXgi27I
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:35 am
@Lash,
That anti vaxxers are generally far right and misogynistic yes they are.

It is the far right that is using the tactics of Nazis, there was an attempted rebellion last year. Anti vaxxers are threatening mps.

Instead of pretending to be a victim why not accept that you support the nazi tactics of the anti vaxxers?

And your post is straight out of Goebbel's playbook, as so many of yours are.

All the fascism in America is coming from the anti vaxx Trump supporters.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:36 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
This is a quote from Trudeau:

"...There is still a part
of the population fiercely against
it. They don't believe in science
or progress and are very often
misogynistic and racist... "
I don't know about the situation in Canada. But that "(they) are very often misogynistic and racist" certainly is true here.

Lash wrote:
Out of Goebbel’s textbook.
From Goebbles 'textbook':
"The power state begins on the street. Whoever can conquer the street can also conquer the state one day." In doing so, he wanted to use "terror and brutality" and thus "overthrow the state [...]". (Source: The Stormtroopers in the National-Socialist Seizure of Power in Berlin and Brandenburg, 1926-1934 [pages 215–225])
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:53 am
One huge difference between anti vaxxers and Jewish people in Nazi Germany is that people choose to be anti vaxx disinformation spreading scumbags.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:58 am
@izzythepush,
So, you’re going for the ‘everything you say is glue, bounces off me and returns to you.’

Brilliant.

Your comments are irrelevant.

Cancer patients, those with otherwise super compromised immune systems, and others of all political persuasions are legitimately concerned about a hit or miss vaccine—and it is an indisputable fact that vaccinated people are infected and transmit the virus. Now, the only protection a vaccine offers is the vaccinated individual, who will probably not suffer severe symptoms.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:06 pm
@Lash,
I don't use American terms.

You have a long track record of posting disinformation and lies with links to subscription pages to Encyclopedia Britannica.

There have always been people who cannot be vaccinated. Those people rely on herd immunity for protection.

Those of us who have our vaccinations are protecting those people, the anti vaxxers are harming and possibly even killing them.

Are you vaccinated?
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:29 pm
@izzythepush,
Only in some cases. Wide-swath condemnation of a large group with members who are diverse is always wrong.
Lash
 
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Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:32 pm
@izzythepush,
I brought a link showing video of Justin Trudeau saying what I told you he said.

I see you tried to keep other people from seeing it.
Anyone who tries to hide proof of someone else’s claim is dishonest.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
As you may know, the street was conquered by a relentless stream of hateful propaganda from political leaders and their state-controlled media.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:38 pm
@Lash,


Trudeau videoed characterizing the unvaccinated as taking up space and fomenting violence against them.

Like I said before, though, he’s facing backlash. And that’s a good thing.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:59 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
As you may know, the street was conquered by a relentless stream of hateful propaganda from political leaders and their state-controlled media.
One can certainly disagree about the conditions during and in the Weimar Republic and interpret the situation differently.

One thing is certain, however: the street was not conquered by a relentless stream of hateful propaganda from political leaders and their state-controlled media:
- the so-called "Machtergreifung" (appointment of Adolf Hitler as Reichs Chancellor by Reichs President Paul von Hindenburg ) was on 30 January 1933,
- the "Schriftleitergesetz" (Law on Editors) (passed on 4 October 1933), came into force on 1 January 1934 - the most important instruments for the Gleichschaltung of the press in the National Socialist German Reich. (That law was following the earlier Gleichschaltungsgesetz"("synchronisation law'"), the process of successively establishing a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of German society.

So, "no", I don't what you you wrote in the above quote.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 6 Jan, 2022 01:19 pm
@Lash,
The violence is being directed by the anti vaxx brigade.

You are lying, pure and simple.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 6 Jan, 2022 01:22 pm
@Lash,
It's a pandemic, these people choose to to infect others. They deserve condemnation for their destructive, irresponsible behaviour.

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izzythepush
 
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Thu 6 Jan, 2022 01:27 pm
@Lash,
I'm not trying to stop people doing anything. You're being hysterical, as always, you deliberately choose a sensationalist article from a trashy right wing tabloid owned by tawdry pornographer Richard Desmond whose other titles are Asian Babes and Barely Legal.

Have you read Richard Desmond's Wikipedia page? I don't think it's possible to malign someone like that.
Lash
 
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Thu 6 Jan, 2022 09:34 pm
@izzythepush,
I chose to publicize a dangerous quote by the Canadian Prime Minister, vilifying a citizen group and point out that quote could easily embolden people to attack those people.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Thu 6 Jan, 2022 10:06 pm
Let's all thank Lash for alerting us to the repressive tendencies of Canada. Perhaps we should build a wall there, just to be safe from the monsters.
coluber2001
 
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Fri 7 Jan, 2022 12:21 am
Jason Stanley warns: "America is now in fascism's legal phase."

https://youtu.be/1xkcCmdE1u4
BillW
 
  2  
Fri 7 Jan, 2022 12:37 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I chose to publicize a dangerous quote by the Canadian Prime Minister, vilifying a citizen group and point out that quote could easily embolden people to attack those people.

Nah, he doesn't compare to a fraction of a percent of what therump's has done! Canadian bashing, what a great new concept?
Mame
 
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Fri 7 Jan, 2022 10:47 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:



Trudeau videoed characterizing the unvaccinated as taking up space and fomenting violence against them.

Like I said before, though, he’s facing backlash. And that’s a good thing.


While I think his comments were unnecessary, I do not believe he was 'fomenting violence against them'. That's just laughable. I think he was just expressing his frustration with the stubborn lot who refuse to get a jab, then get the virus, and take up space in the hospitals.

However, he's not looking at things properly. It's actually the medical authorities who are to blame for the hospital situation. They are the ones who triage and admit patients. They're the ones who have cancelled all other non-urgent procedures and testing. Without making an announcement about it, a hospital could simply triage everyone according to need. Undoubtedly some with covid would have to wait for treatment. They don't all need hospitalization, much less ICU space. Give them a portable ventilator and send them home, if that works.
 

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