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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 09:52 am
I just tripped over this thread and won't even attempt to read all that was written. However, I should remind you that people from all over the nation have come to protest. Many not because they are democrats but because they are four square against the policies of Bush.
As to why the RNC chose NY. They claim it is to show solidarity with NY. I claim it is to feed off 9/11. Something Bush has been doing since it happened. I should note that the RNC and Bush's handlers knew full well the disruption their convention would bring to this city and still they chose to come here regardless the ongoing threat of imminent terrorism. Why did they chose to come to this city knowing full well it would divert the forces needed to fight the constant threat of terrorism that they claim is on it's way?
I should add that these conventions both DNC and RNC are a costly show and are outdated, an unnecessary expense, irrelevant, and meaningless.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 09:58 am
The cities bid for these conventions because of the revenue they bring to the cities that host them, au.

Heard last night that it was expected to be a quarter billion for NYC. Certainly enough to pay for the increased security don't you think.?
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:17 am
Larry
With all the overtime the city will never even come close to breaking even. They will be up the creek without a paddle. I heard the figure for the added security will be 300 million dollars. How much money will have to be spent do you think to wring that much out of the tax revenue.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:18 am
Actually, probably not, Larry. Boston got stiffed on the security bill from the Dem convention, I get the feeling that N.Y. will be the same.

Remember that the largest part of that money will go to vendors, hotels, taxis, etc. More than it is just people 'giving money to the city.' Who do you think is paying for all those cops and choppers flying overhead?

Do you think they will pass a special tax so that New Yorkers can pay it? They'd riot in the streets for real. No, for the most part, it is paid by the State of New York (which will recoup some of that money in taxes, but not all of it, and it will take a while) and the people of America, who are funding the federal side of the security. The quarter billion doesn't have much to do with the security at all.

Cycloptichorn
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:24 am
Anyone know who the Iraqi-American woman was that spoke last night as far as her connections? I had trouble actually listening to her because:

1. Remember the Iraqi woman that claimed infants were being removed from incubators and left to die during the first Gulf War? Turns out she was a daughter of some official in DC and the event had not happened.

2. And, because she was listed as an Iraqi-American. She lives in America, and being called an Iraqi American I presume means she is an American citizen of Iraqi descent. She spoke of atrocities in "her country" as if she had just moved here and had first hand knowledge of the crimes in Iraq ... With her perfect English and very little accent I found this hard to believe.

So, does anyone know who she is and where the RNC found her?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:32 am
squinney wrote:
Anyone know who the Iraqi-American woman was that spoke last night as far as her connections? I had trouble actually listening to her because:

1. Remember the Iraqi woman that claimed infants were being removed from incubators and left to die during the first Gulf War? Turns out she was a daughter of some official in DC and the event had not happened.

2. And, because she was listed as an Iraqi-American. She lives in America, and being called an Iraqi American I presume means she is an American citizen of Iraqi descent. She spoke of atrocities in "her country" as if she had just moved here and had first hand knowledge of the crimes in Iraq ... With her perfect English and very little accent I found this hard to believe.

So, does anyone know who she is and where the RNC found her?


I was wondering the same thing. I winced a bit as she was speaking. I wonder if she will regret what she said in five years...
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:46 am
Squinney,

I don't recall for sure...but I think she said she has been in the US for 12 years but that she did come from Iraq.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:53 am
I did some googling. Her name is Zainab al-Suwaij. I posted part of a BBC article below. She was exiled to the US after the Shia uprising following the first Gulf war. Some site refer to her as a "leader" of the uprising, but there isn't much information what role she played.

She is a relevant and clear voice in favor of the war. She was very articulate that the US should take out Saddam before the war.

She is a very good spokesperson for Bush's claim that the war was worthwhile as a way of getting rid of Saddam.

I still can't help wondering if she feels conflicted supporting Bush considering his support for Israels wall, Guantanamo etc.

Quote:

Zainab al-Suwaij, an Iraqi exile, and a member of one of the working groups set up by the US State Department's "Future of Iraq" programme before the war, attended both of the meetings in Iraq to discuss the new interim government.

"I raised the issue of women's participation at the Baghdad conference," she told BBC News Online. "I said there should be more women in the leadership as well as proper support for grass-roots organisations.

"A lot of people received it with an open mind - even some of the imams [religious leaders]."

'Diverse society'

There have been reports that some women fear an Islamicisation of Iraq, with the participation of religious leaders in the political process. Shia Muslims make up the biggest religious group in the country and many would like to see the establishment of an Islamic state.

Ms al-Suwaij, herself a Shia originally from southern Iraq, dismisses these fears.

"I don't believe Iraq will end up with a conservative government," she says.

"It's a diverse society and it is unlikely that any one group would take over."

She added that while there were those from the Shia community who would like to see Sharia (Islamic) law established, many Shia are secular.


BBC link
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 10:57 am
Here's what I found:

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2002/isept/11_debt.html

Funding Sources

Foundation activities are funded through a variety of sources, including the National Endowment for Democracy (web site), the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ICOP), the Department of State (IRDP) and private donations.

The Foundation is a 501(C)3 tax-exempt corporation, and contributions in the US are tax-deductible.

Evidently she was part of an attempted uprising in '92, and left Iraq shortly after to come to US.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 12:26 pm
msolga wrote:
Great coverage of the demonstration, here in OZ. Very Happy Very impressive.
NYC is described as a "traditionally left leaning city". Is this so?


NY is wildly liberal. By the time David Dinkins was finished with NY, it was wall to wall prostitutes, and so unsafe the city was losing tourism revenue, and just had a horrible reputation.

So, as people do when they need someone to fix their mess, a Republican was elected, who cleaned up their city. They must have liked the idea, as they chose another Republican after Guiliani.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:40 pm
McCain was very good, and fabulously recieved. Glad to hear people finally saying things no one else has stood up and said for a long time.

Saddam was a WMD. Damn straight.

Guiliani was priceless. He's always been very 'law enforcement'. ('Course, all GOPers are.) Loved his story about the construction worker, and the secret security's threat to Guiliani.

I hope we have someone from Iraq every night. I think it's important to hear from them.

Very glad to hear from families of 911 victims. The first one who spoke went to the WH last year and asked to be able to speak.

The only thing I don't like (OK, HATE) are those travelling, loud-talking women, carrying around microphones with RNC on them, acting like newscasters. Incredibly lame. I don't see how people standing near them can resist jerking the mics from them and boinking them over the head. How loud must a person talk before things get violent?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:43 pm
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Saddam was a WMD. Damn straight.


Bullsh*t.

Cycloptichorn
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:44 pm
Sofia
You should know better than that. Dinkens was a lousy mayor? But wall to wall prostitutes. As for wildly liberal the city has had both democratic and republican mayors. People vote for who they believe will act in their interest. The state of New York which normally goes democratic in federal elections has had both republican and democratic governors.
I would also note that despite kissing Bush's A$$ at the convention Rudy is diametrically opposed to most of Bush's policies. Generally an NY City republican could be called a flaming liberal out west and down south.
As for being unsafe it is as safe or safer than any city in the nation. And tourists continue to flood in to view the wonders of the greatest city in the world. Remember if you can make it here you can make it anywhere. New York, New York.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Saddam was a WMD. Damn straight.


Bullsh*t.

Cycloptichorn


Being new here I want to ask.

Can you use invectives if you substitute an asterisk for one of the letters in the invective without violating the TOS?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:46 pm
The woman 'reporter' giving 'on the spot commentary' when the Firefighters' Union endorsed Bush used the body language and facial expressions one may use in a remote report as Steve Erwin is squished, half-eaten and dragged under the Nile, by the largest snake ever seen in recorded history.

She was hopping, swivelling, pop-eyed, dancing, ...I've never seen anything like it. Except on Soul Train.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:47 pm
Well, I've never seen anyone get in trouble for using an invective that is not specifically directed towards someone else (many don't even bother to censor them at all, come to think of it.) But you might want to ask a mod.

Cycloptichorn
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:52 pm
Thanks horn.

I understood you to be labeling another members opinion as BS. Perhaps I misunderstood.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 01:59 pm
Sofia
I did not nor would I bother to listen to the dribble and false hoods coming out oft the mouths of those two Johnny come lately Bush supporters, They were in need of Jock strops after having the balls to praise someone who they have no use for. Integrity and honesty goes out the window when politics kicks in. In particular McCain. Shame. McCain should know he will be shunted aside when he is not needed as Powell was.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:08 pm
Sofia wrote:
The woman 'reporter' giving 'on the spot commentary' when the Firefighters' Union endorsed Bush used the body language and facial expressions one may use in a remote report as Steve Erwin is squished, half-eaten and dragged under the Nile, by the largest snake ever seen in recorded history.

She was hopping, swivelling, pop-eyed, dancing, ...I've never seen anything like it. Except on Soul Train.


I don't care who you are or where you come from....that remark was uncalled for....you want to see some hopping swivelling pop-eyed dancing.....head out to an all white pentecostal holiness church.....and even then the real pop eyed dancing is after service while the good christians count the gate......damn sofia!!!! I'm really surprised you made that remark....I'd expect something like that from Karzak or something....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:34 pm
au1929 wrote:
Sofia
I did not nor would I bother to listen to the dribble and false hoods coming out oft the mouths of those two Johnny come lately Bush supporters, They were in need of Jock strops after having the balls to praise someone who they have no use for. Integrity and honesty goes out the window when politics kicks in. In particular McCain. Shame. McCain should know he will be shunted aside when he is not needed as Powell was.


That's too bad. You will be and are missing a lot.
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