Republican Convention

You mean they might have done Soz?

Harper--
Prove that it's not true, and that it is indeed not YOU who is the lying liar who keeps lying and lying and accusing everyone else of lying.

(And find another word. That one has worn down with your incredibly monotonous use.) <-- Sofia

Prove that what isn't true? That Zell Miller's speech didn't go over very well, or that he gave a fiery speech against the republicans 12 years ago, or that the Democratic party has slid downwards and Zell is the only one smart enough to jump ship?

The first is obvious though I'd be happy to link the Bush campaign's distancing themselves from their own keynote speaker for ya.

The second is a matter of recorded history.

The third is an opinion, and a poorly thought-out one at that. Opinions aren't for proving or disproving.



A little childish here, reminds me very much of the 7th grade. You can do better than that, Sofia...

Cycloptichorn

Steve, I mean that your "four more legs" riff was funny but also scarily true.

I don't know two beans about zell miller, but byrd has publicly regretted his klan days and has said as much. If I asked I will search out, though I that this was covered here not long ago.

From what I am hearing of zell miller, not long ago he wrote or said glowing reports about kerry. I will use the google later and see.

David Duke expressed regret for his prior affiliation with the Klan. Did you buy it?

Excellent Slate article re: Lies from Zell Miller and Cheney.


Lies, Damned Lies, and Convention Speeches
Setting Kerry's record right?-again.By Fred Kaplan
Posted Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004, at 11:50 AM PT


Half-truths and embellishments are one thing; they're common at political conventions, vital flourishes for a theatrical air. Lies are another thing, and last night's Republican convention was soaked in them.

In the case of Sen. Zell Miller's keynote address, "lies" might be too strong a word...

Still, it is worth setting the record straight. The main falsehood, we have gone over before, but it keeps getting repeated, so here we go again: It is the claim that John Kerry, during his 20 years in the Senate, voted to kill the M-1 tank, the Apache helicopter; the F-14, F-16, and F-18 jet fighters; and just about every other weapon system that has kept our nation free and strong.


Here, one more time, is the truth of the matter: Kerry did not vote to kill these weapons, in part because none of these weapons ever came up for a vote, either on the Senate floor or in any of Kerry's committees.

This myth took hold last February in a press release put out by the RNC. Those who bothered to look up the fine-print footnotes discovered that they referred to votes on two defense appropriations bills, one in 1990, the other in 1995. Kerry voted against both bills, as did 15 other senators, including five Republicans. The RNC took those bills, cherry-picked some of the weapons systems contained therein, and implied that Kerry voted against those weapons. By the same logic, they could have claimed that Kerry voted to disband the entire U.S. armed forces; but that would have raised suspicions and thus compelled more reporters to read the document more closely.

What makes this dishonesty not merely a lie, but a damned lie, is that back when Kerry cast these votes, Dick Cheney?-who was the secretary of defense for George W. Bush's father?-was truly slashing the military budget. Here was Secretary Cheney, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Jan. 31, 1992:

Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. … And now we're adding to that another $50 billion … of so-called peace dividend.

I'm not accusing Cheney of being a girly man on defense. As he notes, the Cold War had just ended; deficits were spiraling; the nation could afford to cut back. But some pro-Kerry equivalent of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Zell Miller could make that charge with as much validity as they?-and Cheney?-make it against Kerry.

In other words, it's not just that Cheney and those around him are lying; it's not even just that they know they're lying; it's that they know?-or at least Cheney knows?-that the same lie could be said about him. That's what makes it a damned lie.

You can read the whole article here: http://slate.msn.com/id/2106119/

It's all my fault, I made a viscious attack on her avatar, I usually don't attack avatars and I apologize. It is a very cute avatar, I just think that it is totally misrepresents sofia's posting style.