I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I see who you are now.

The same person I've always claimed to be? Unlike you?

I know IT, security, and compliance. There is a vast, unsubtle difference between doing something that is against internal rules and doing something that can be prosecuted.

If you want to say the mail server speaks to Clinton's judgement, I won't argue with you. But it's not illegal, and she's not going to be the first President inaugurated from prison.

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@Builder,

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You still don't get it, do ya? They want Dillary and Drumpf in the playoff.

Both the Republicans and the Russians, (the latter being the ones whose ideas you are pushing), want Bernie to be the Democratic nominee. That's why they have gone so easy on Bernie and say he's been so poorly treated by his own party.

The Republicans know that Hillary and Bill have taken every smear they've thrown at them since 1992 and came back to win. That's makes them scary to Republicans, since smear is all they've got going for them. The Russians know that Hillary stands for a strong defense generally, and a tight bond to NATO. Russians hate NATO, because NATO prevented Russia from taking over Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe after WWII, and is now preventing Russia from taking back Eastern Europe after Russia went bankrupt and had to let the Eastern Europeans go in 1991. Russia wants Eastern Europe back, NATO is in the way. And Trump wants to break up NATO. Russians love Trump, and hate Hillary.

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@DrewDad,

I've always been exactly who I've claimed to be.

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(Posting this on the 'Bernie's In' thread as well)
I started this whole process admiring Bernie Sanders. At this point I don't even see him as honest, much less honorable.

I just saw him asked what he intended to do and when he intended to do it as far as conceding the nomination, throwing his support to Hillary and encouraging his supporters to support Hillary.

He said something to the effect of "I don't have any magic wand to make anyone support Hillary. It's up to Hillary to convince my supporters that she is worthy of their vote". What a crock of disingenuous, self-seeking bull. He is in this for Bernie. He is not even acknowledging that what he says and does at this point will certainly be a factor in his supporters decision making. His actions now are having less and less to do with any noble political movement, and they don't bespeak any kind of personal integrity. They are the cheap and juvenile acts of someone motivated by a desire to stay at the center of attention, full stop.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

He said something to the effect of "I don't have any magic wand to make anyone support Hillary. It's up to Hillary to convince my supporters that she is worthy of their vote". What a crock of disingenuous, self-seeking bull.

Why so? Isn't it Clinton's job to convince voters to vote for her?

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@joefromchicago,

I think sometime between Hillary's pretty certain clinching of the nomination tomorrow and the convention-probably well before the convention-Bernie throws his support behind Hillary. I think right now Bernie is playing a game of how much can I move Hillary over to the left before I come out and support her.

Obama's ready to start openly campaigning for Hillary as early as next week. If Bernie's going to get maximum leverage for his viewpoint, he'd better get on the bandwagon fast after Clinton clinches tomorrow.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

(Posting this on the 'Bernie's In' thread as well)
I started this whole process admiring Bernie Sanders. At this point I don't even see him as honest, much less honorable.

I just saw him asked what he intended to do and when he intended to do it as far as conceding the nomination, throwing his support to Hillary and encouraging his supporters to support Hillary.

He said something to the effect of "I don't have any magic wand to make anyone support Hillary. It's up to Hillary to convince my supporters that she is worthy of their vote". What a crock of disingenuous, self-seeking bull. He is in this for Bernie. He is not even acknowledging that what he says and does at this point will certainly be a factor in his supporters decision making. His actions now are having less and less to do with any noble political movement, and they don't bespeak any kind of personal integrity. They are the cheap and juvenile acts of someone motivated by a desire to stay at the center of attention, full stop.

It is disingenuous to throw stones at Bernie's house while embracing Hillary's glass house.

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@joefromchicago,

I am glad Hillary didn't have that snotty attitude when she activily campaigned with Obama once she stepped aside. It is pretty tradition and practical for the loser of the primary race to support the winner for the good of platform being part of the nation's agenda. Like Lash not too many minutes ago, there is nothing Hillary could do to convince some Bernie or Bust people to vote for her. (on the Bernie's in thread)

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@Debra Law,

I agree, but also believe all politicians live in glass houses.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/people_who_live_in_glass_houses_shouldn%27t_throw_stones

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

I am glad Hillary didn't have that snotty attitude when she activily campaigned with Obama once she stepped aside.

Why is that "snotty?" Isn't it the truth? Sanders can't order his supporters to vote for Clinton. At most, he can encourage them to vote for her. If they need to be convinced, however, it's Clinton's job to do the convincing. Wouldn't you agree?

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

It is disingenuous to throw stones at Bernie's house while embracing Hillary's glass house.

...says the horse of a different spilled milk after the barn door has not fallen too far from the tree.

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@joefromchicago,

Hillary activily campaigned for Obama, that showed class and dedication to having the platform voted in verses having the republican platform in with John McCain.

Clinton has been trying to reach out to Bernie supporters, back when she said there is "more to unite us than to divide us". It is Bernie who needs to encourage his followers to think about what is more important, letting Trump win or voting for Hillary in the general against him. He can at least make the effort. His attitude is snotty and not traditional and destructive for the progressive agenda.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/06/06/us/06obama2/06obama2-master675.jpg

Hillary Clinton campaigned with Barack Obama in 2008, after Mr. Obama clinched the Democratic nomination. Credit Damon Winter/The New York Times

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Hillary activily campaigned for Obama

Only after she conceded, and she didn't do that until Obama had amassed enough delegates for the nomination. Clinton isn't there yet and Sanders hasn't conceded. Why should you expect Sanders to campaign for Clinton while he's still campaigning for himself?

revelette2 wrote:

It is Bernie who needs to encourage his followers to think about what is more important, letting Trump win or voting for Hillary in the general against him. He can at least make the effort.

He hasn't conceded yet. He's still a candidate. Why should he try to help his opponent?

revelette2 wrote:

His attitude is snotty and not traditional and destructive for the progressive agenda.

I'll grant you it's not traditional for a candidate to stay in the race when mathematically all-but eliminated. But then Clinton changed that tradition in 2008, so I'm not sure why Sanders should be singled out for criticism on that point.

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@joefromchicago,

Perhaps you missed where I said when she reaches enough delegates, he should then concede? Instead he is threatening to take it the convention regardless if she reaches the magic number or not and (browbeat) try to persuade the superdelegates to change their stated preference from Clinton to him simply because he polls better in some polls against Trump than she does. The reasons why those are not a true reflection how things might be in the general have already been stated repeatedly, the main one being, the republican machine has not gone after Sanders at all, Hillary has been pretty light because she don't want to tick off his supporters, she learned her lesson from 2008 I guess.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Perhaps you missed where I said when she reaches enough delegates, he should then concede?

I must have. You certainly didn't say it here. Instead, you suggested that Sanders is acting "snotty" because he hasn't already announced his support for Clinton.

revelette2 wrote:

Instead he is threatening to take it the convention regardless if she reaches the magic number or not and (browbeat) try to persuade the superdelegates to change their stated preference from Clinton to him simply because he polls better in some polls against Trump than she does.

When did he say that?

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Taking it to the convention to push for important points the Party would otherwise brush aside. Sanders should never give in, until the very end of the convention.

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@edgarblythe,

I think Sanders should keep going until every state has voted. IMO, what he should be doing now is damping down all the conspiracy stuff. There is no vote rigging, no voter suppression and he should make that clear. He can say "there are rules and I don't like the rules and I think the rules should be changed, but everyone is following the rules. Let's talk about the issues." That would work for me.

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@joefromchicago,

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I must have. You certainly didn't say it here. Instead, you suggested that Sanders is acting "snotty" because he hasn't already announced his support for Clinton.

I said it /url]here

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When did he say that?

Not in so many words, but Bernie Sanders Vows Fight to Convention as Hillary Clinton Wins a Primary

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WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. — Senator Bernie Sanders defiantly vowed again on Sunday to take his campaign to the Democratic National Convention this summer, even as Hillary Clinton edged closer to clinching the party’s presidential nomination and the final primary contests drew near.

Two days before Tuesday’s primaries in California and five other states, Mr. Sanders repeated his pledge not to concede even if Mrs. Clinton acquires enough delegates to reach 2,383, the threshold for securing the nomination.

A win in California is critical to Mr. Sanders’s plan to stay in the race through the convention and would give him a significant lift.

But with her victory in the Puerto Rico primary on Sunday, Mrs. Clinton is only 28 delegates short of the threshold and will most likely declare victory on Tuesday.

Mr. Sanders, however, insists that the convention will be contested because he is still lobbying superdelegates — party officials and state leaders who cast their final votes at the convention — to withdraw support from Mrs. Clinton and back him instead. He plans to make the case that he is a stronger candidate against Donald J. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee. A number of polls, he said, show he can beat Mr. Trump by larger margins than Mrs. Clinton can.

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@edgarblythe,

Can he not just attend the convention and give a speech without having to contest the convention? If he cant persuade convention members to adopt his agenda, well, that is the way it works.

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The nominations of Candidates are the actions of the political party's, each of which is free to make its own rules and procedures for doing so. Contested Conventions in which candidates with varying numberrs of committed delegates going in are the historical rule - not the exception - for both major parties.

That Sen. Sanders "should" withdraw at this point is merely convenient and self=serving rhetoric for the representatives of Hillary Clinton's campaign. Senator Sanders has no obligation to anyone to do so. On the contrary he has every right to pursue his candidacy as long as he has the support within the party to sustain it.

I'm no fan of Bernies policies, and don't see how he could get much of his program enacted even if he was elected. Indeed I would probably be less disappointed with a president Clinton than a Sanders (better a predictable crook than loonie ideologue).

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