The only fact you quoted was that median household income had only gone up a little bit in the past year. And I refuted that by pointing out that the median household income is not an accurate measure of the state of the middle class, since the average American household has fewer people in it than it did 20 years ago,and hence fewer wage earners per household. And also that the population has aged so that percentagewise more American households have people in their retirement years than in previous years, and also fewer people in their high income working years than previous years. That's not an indication of the middle class disappearing, a middle class retired couple does not need as much money as a younger middle class couple because the retired couple has already paid off their mortgage and their children are grown up-they don't need to bed fed, housed and educated anymore.
When I said you don't produce facts, I meant that for several pages of pages of arguing you can only produce a fact that was true as far it went, but which did not prove what you say it did-that the middle class is disappearing.
Every respectable journal and source in the nation rebuts your opinion, but do entertain us more, with how you know better.
Now don't you feel idiotic talking about respectable journals supporting your opinion when you give opinions like this earlier in the thread?
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Hillary will continue the status quo of the NWO. She's made that clear as sec of State.
ROFLMAO. Builder buddy, you can't talk about "respectable journals" and then come out with this tin foil hat NWO crap at the same time. NWO stuff is for people on YouTube who want to read about how alien invaders mated with apes to produce superior races on Earth, and all that other stuff. You just blew it.
The people who push the New World Order, Illuminati, Masons, and such all have several things in common. They hate Jews, and they hate America and the rest of the West, they love Putin. One reason they hate Jews is because they push racial superiority theories which are borrowed from the Nazis-they just blame Jews, (called Zionists), for everything, say the Rothschilds have been behind all the evil in the world since the Middle Ages, and try to go on where Hitler left off.
In order to support their theories, they must say that America is in much worse shape than it really is. So, like Builder, they prattle on about how everything is turning to crap in the USA. They say the middle class is disappearing, when in fact, since the recession ended in Jan 2010, we have created 13 Million Full Time jobs in six years and 5 Million in the past two years. Median weekly earnings, inflation-adjusted, are going up and have surpassed where they were before the crash. The notion that college has become unaffordable to most is shown to be inaccurate since a significantly higher percentage of 18 to 24 year olds are in college than 10 or 12 years ago. Whether we should make college even more affordable to our youth is another issue-I think we should. The point is that college has not become suddenly more out of reach than in the past.
One of the main things pushing this nonsense on the internet is the internet troll army of Russia, which is based in St. Petersburg, Russia. It is not surprising that Builder pushes the NWO and has such kind words for Russia. Obviously, Russia has a stake in cutting back American influence, since it would like to take back the Eastern European states it lost in 1991.
The fact that Lash aligns herself with this mess is telling.
For those of you who would like a taste of what guys like Builder are pushing, I offer the following video. Nothing special about it, YouTube is lousy with these things:
Enjoy.
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Builder
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Sun 5 Jun, 2016 02:09 pm
@snood,
Humour always makes me laugh, Snood.
Maybe you're both too young to remember Bush senior talking about the NWO in detail.
The new world order that Bush 41 was talking about happened during the breakup of the Soviet Union, and its financial collapse which enabled Eastern European countries like Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia to break free of Russian/Soviet domination. These countries were taken over by Russia during WWII when the Russians repelled the German invasion and drove the Germans back to Berlin. Once the Russian/Soviet troops were in Eastern Europe, there was no getting them out by the Western Allies at the end of WWII unless they wanted to start a war against Russia, which they were not willing to do. Those poor Eastern European countries were stuck with Russian domination and a low standard of living for nearly half a century. Then Russia economically and politically collapsed, and they were able to finally break away to political and economic freedom.
This was the new world order that George W. Bush was talking about, a world that would depend on negotiation through the auspices of the United Nations instead of invasions by force.
The New World Order that you are talking about is a fantasy consisting of Nazi antisemitic propaganda slightly reworked. The New World Order, as people like you say, is the "Zionist controlled banks" running the US, oppressing poor virtuous countries like Russia run by the brave Putin, as well as bankrupting even their host countries, the USA and the UK. This is taken directly from Hitler's ideas of regarding Jews as bloodsucking parasites taking the host nation down for their own benefit. The New World Order, as put forth by people like you, is just Hitler's ideas reworked, with Putin replacing Hitler as the hero who will stand up to it.
The Kremlin has a whole group of people like you in St. Petersburg, Russia, pushing this stuff all over the internet. And putting out videos like this:
You're still peeking out from under that rock, right?
The UN is still behind it, meaning lots of under-the-table dealings. It's been discussed by Obama, and Hillary. They don't, of course, call it the NWO.
Where do you find these videos? I'm thinking, due to the content of your posts, and the time you spend on this forum, that you are working for disinformation teams.
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Sun 5 Jun, 2016 05:48 pm
The Heist is On: Clinton Ally, California Secretary of State Alex Padilla Trying to Dupe Likely Sanders Voters
Unless an immediate mass media campaign is launched, or awareness otherwise raised, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of voters for Bernie Sanders will have their votes thrown out and never counted, due to erroneous instructions reported by concerned poll workers, disenfranchising likely Sanders voters. The erroneous instructions affect independent voters who overwhelmingly break towards Sanders. In California, independent voters are registered as "No Party Preference" (NPP.)
California elections are overseen and administered by California Secretary of State Alex Padilla, a Hillary Clinton supporter who headlined a fundraiser for Clinton in Riverside on May 21st.
The voters have been given or told to use the wrong kind of ballot, "NPP" ballots rather than regular Democratic party ballots with the presidential candidates' names printed on them. Note to California voters: If you do not or did not see Bernie Sanders' name printed on your ballot, you have the wrong kind of ballot. You have until election day to go to the county’s voter registrar’s office to ask for a Democratic party ballot, or ask for it at your polling place on Election Day.
Stand outside your polling station with signs reminding "NO BERNIE PRINTED ON BALLOT= NO VOTE!"
Last week independent journalist Greg Palast reported:
"I am currently reporting from Southern California, and there’s an Ashley Beck, who is a poll worker in conservative Orange County. She was being trained with other poll workers, and they were given some very strange information. In the California primary, the independent voters registered as NPP, or no party preference, can vote in the Democratic primary. They can ask for a ballot and they are allowed to vote. The Orange County poll workers were told if NPP voters ask for a Democratic Party ballot to vote for Bernie or Hillary, they are not to be given regular ballots, but provisional ballots. This shook up Ashley."
Ms. Beck told Palast:
“I was told that all NPP voters are to be given provisional ballots. I was bothered by that, because I was always told that NPP voters in California can vote for Democrats and their vote would be counted. I was a little worried that he was telling all 18 of us poll workers to give all NPP voters provisional ballots. We all know what happens most of the time with provisional ballots. They are not being counted.”
"Provisional" ballots differ from regular Democratic party ballots in that they have no presidential candidates printed on them. True Democratic primary ballots have "Bernie Sanders" and "Hillary Clinton" printed on them.
Palast, in an interview with Dennis Bernstein for Reader Supported News, pointed out that the phenomenon of record numbers of independent voters seeking to vote in this year's primaries, overwhelmingly consists of Sanders partisans. The votes thrown out will almost all be Sanders votes, Palast said.
The polling firm Political Data Inc. told NBC affiliate KCRA News in Sacramento that, according to their data, 58% of independent voters who sought to cast a Democratic ballot would have voted for Sanders, while just 37% said they would vote for Clinton.
A search of California media coverage of the incorrect instructions shows only the KCRA report, which suggests that going into the CA primary this Tuesday, untold numbers of voters are still headed toward casting votes that won't count.
In addition, the ballot confusion comes amid reports that, similarly to what happened in Arizona and New York, voters are finding their party affiliations mysteriously changed, sometimes disqualifying them from voting in the Democratic primary. Voters should exercise extreme vigilance in checking their recorded voter registrations online.
A CA citizen's group, the Voting Rights Defense Project, filed a lawsuit last month as numerous instances of the misinformation on state websites spread, asking the judge to order the state to issue correct information via a mass media campaign before this Tuesday's primary. Federal Judge William Alsup threw out the suit, saying “The citizens of California are smart enough to know what their rights are.”
Secretary of State Padilla's office fought the lawsuit and denied any public awareness campaign was needed.
The approaching fiasco unfolds as Hillary Clinton continues to fight for a tie in the polls with Donald Trump, while Sanders maintains a wide lead over Trump in head-to-head, general election polls. The polls suggest that independent voters who support Sanders will not will not transfer their allegiance, and votes, to Hillary, if she is the nominee. Sanders maintains a comfortable 11 point lead over Trump, while Clinton is now fighting to stay neck-and-neck
Is there any aspect of this contest that you think Bernie has lost to Hillary legitimately? Do you think all three million of the votes that she is ahead of him are stolen?
Any independent in California should know these rules since they aren't new. I've seen this in the news for weeks, so it also shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Note the independents are not allowed to vote in the Republican primary at all. At least the Democrats allow it, although I doubt anyone on the Sanders side will give the state Democratic party any credit for that.
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Blickers
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Sun 5 Jun, 2016 06:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
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The Orange County poll workers were told if NPP voters ask for a Democratic Party ballot to vote for Bernie or Hillary, they are not to be given regular ballots, but provisional ballots. This shook up [poll workers] Ashley."
Okay, but who told her that? Was it the person from the state of California, and he did he/she have responsibility to give instructions to any other polls?
For that matter, did the reporter hear the same story about No Party Preference, (independent), voters were scheduled to receive provisional ballots from anyone else at Ashley's voting precinct? If nobody else reported anything, there is the possibility that either Ashley the poll worker got the instructions wrong, or she is pulling some kind of stunt. By all means, of course, I would think the press would be all over the other 17 poll workers at Ashley's polling place.
Reading all these comments about the elections makes me shudder for the DNC convention. I bet it is going to be a disaster.
Actually I'm getting less and less worried about it. Bernie has as much right as Kennedy did in 1980 to stir up things, and it looks like there's no way to avoid it anyway. So, I want all the voters to have a chance to vote. Then I want Bernie's people to contest and holler and demonstrate all they want at the convention. Then maybe what will happen is, the Bernie or busts will do whatever bust means (probably go home), and the rest will start supporting the nominee. And we can kick Trumps orange ass.
