I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

Read.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34809-why-hillary-clinton-doesn-t-deserve-the-black-vote
Clinton and the black "vote."

Oh yeah, a "progressive" hysteria rag . . . i'm convinced.

The article I linked is written by Michelle Alexander, who wrote a notable book on the subject.

http://www.truth-out.org/author/itemlist/user/45450

Oh i see . . . use a dodgy source to confirm the reliability of the same dodgy source. You know, saying something must be true because it's in a book is exactly why organized religion has been the bane of humanity for thousands of years.

Alright, wise guy. Shooting down **** with the careless wave of a hand - without even refuting one fact is lazier and worse.

Do you refute the facts Alexander cites in the article?

OK, wise guy--first, the article is listed as an opinion piece, and second, it slams Slick Willy. That doesn't mean that Hillary would be good for the country, nor is it evidence that she wouldn't. You really have the blinders on.

You are the one with vision issues today.
I was responding to Blickers about the Clinton presidency.

I did read one of your references. From Michelle Alexander:


During Clinton's two terms, Full Time jobs increased for all races 16.7%, which is a very good rate of increase. Know how much Full Time jobs for blacks increased? 29.7%. That's nearly twice the rate for the general population.

When Bush II came in, for his two terms Full Time jobs for all races increased a mere 0.3%. For Bush II's two terms, Full Time jobs for blacks didn't increase at all. They declined 1.9%.

Full Time jobs under Clinton, all races:
1993 Q1......96.528 Million Full Time jobs
2001 Q1....112.654 Million Full Time jobs
Result: Increase of 16.7%

Full Time jobs under Clinton, blacks:
1993 Q1......9.954 Million Full Time jobs
2001 Q1....12.912 Million Full Time jobs
Result: Increase of 29.7%

So by your source's own words, Clinton took over when black America was losing jobs badly, and by my source-the Bureau of Labor Statistics-under Clinton's leadership Full Time jobs for blacks increased at nearly TWICE the rate as they did for the general population. Then Bush II came in and they started losing jobs again. Your source and my source are in agreement on this point-Bill vastly improved the economic picture for black people under his term. Black people specifically, as well as the rest of us, have good reason to look forward to another Clinton presidency.

Oh yeah? You apparently can't even read the title of the article you linked--why Hillary doesn't deserve the black vote.

This is part and parcel of the anti-Clinton hysteria right now--since there is no record as a chief magistrate with which to attack Hillary, let's rant about Bill.

Let me rephrase something from someone you might admire.

You're a fabulous example of how a person can latch on with a death grip to one source and refuse to consider reams of opposing information because it refutes your claim.

You can't have it both ways. You just summarized the article. Now you're trying to act like you stopped at the title.

It has potent facts and statistics about the disaster of the Clinton presidency for black Americans. Since Hillary runs on the achievements of two men -and Bill Clinton is one of them- the title is appropriate.

Nevertheless, reach for your spectacles.

I see Blickers has copied and pasted the same stats for the third time...

Goofball. I use multitude of sources, although I do love this one.

And an important statistic it certainly is, the increase in the number of Full Time jobs during Bill Clinton's presidency. A presidency which you are struggling to characterize, despite massive evidence to the contrary, as not good for black Americans.

It all starts with a job, doesn't it? A Full Time job. Whether you are going to be able to afford to eat that night, whether you can afford an apartment, or a house, or own your own car and what neighborhood that place will be in. You need a Full Time job. That's why when people talk about The Great Depression, the first thing anyone thinks about is people begging on street corners when they used to be working people.

So when I produce the official statistics showing that during Clinton's two terms, the percentage of Full Time jobs increased 16.7% for all races, which is very good, and an astonishing 29.7% for black Americans, it pretty much dispels the idea that Bill Clinton's presidency was not good for black America, and explains why his wife is getting a lot of black support.

Unlike people, not all statistics are created the same in importance. Statistics about Full Time jobs are more important than the statistics you are coming up with.

Firstly, during Clinton's presidency was at the peak of the hi-tech/dot.com boom. I don't agree if anyone says that was his creation but Bill Clinton didn't interfere with that, and yet he gets the credit.

hat being said, all races benefited during this boom time.

He did, however, lessen and deregulate banking/Wall St., mortgage lenders and banks grew into being super-banks - able to dabble in stock market and derivatives. Thanks, Bill ... you greased the skills for the deep recession and wall-st-scandals that followed.

Secondly, this has nothing or very little to do with Hillary and her skills as President. I'd be guessing that Bill will not be a shadow president. Are you thinking she'll take her directions from him? Do you know something we don't?

Tell that to the people like Lash that are using this to attack Hillary. The attacks on Hillary for what her husband did are a pretty good example of sexism. None of the male candidates are being attacked for what their spouses did or do.

(Ted Cruz has literally gone to bed with a Wall Street Banker and had children with her.)

Among many erroneous statements, Parados said

She claims a co-presidency with her husband.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102588.html

You must not watch debates. She happily claims the Clinton presidency as if it had been hers.

I have to laugh. She's a joke.

Lame, expedient claims of sexism haven't worked for her, Steinem or Albright. Not working for you, either.

Blickers said

inferring that a Hillary presidency and a Bill presidency are identical.

Wonder why?

Lash - the speaker implies, the listener infers. :-)

I noticed my error not long after I made it. But, thanks, really. I guess this would be a good opportunity to remind you that the past tense of bear...as in Colin Powell's comment.....bore....repeating.



Let's both of us never do this again, please. It seems so small.