I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

I suspect there are millions and millions of Sanders voters who, come election day and they're faced with a choice of "Trump vs. Clinton" will, perhaps grudgingly, tick the box for Clinton.

Debra Law wrote:

It's not as simple as you claim.

Actually, it is pretty simple. A credential committee made up of five Sanders delegates and five Clinton delegates and a Sanders co-chair looked at the proposed candidates from each side. Many of the Sanders candidates did not show up, ignored routine requests for proof of residency or were just not registered Democrats living in the district they were trying to represent so they weren't credentialed. Clinton ended up with more delegates on the floor because a) her team knew the rules and was better organized and b) she won more votes in the election. As reported in numerous links above, there was nothing unusual in the rules being used and the conduct of the officials was completely normal. What wasn't normal was the Sanders officials using bull horns to have his supporters storm the stage every time they didn't get their way.

Democratic ideals ... power elite gerrymandering, voter suppression,

PDiddie, whoever the hell that is.... wrote:

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This is all about the people. This is about millions and millions of people who are unhappy because their political system is corrupt.

Obviously more millions are happy with the system as Clinton has more votes than does Sanders or anyone else running for President.

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Democratic ideals ... power elite gerrymandering, voter suppression,

Requiring someone to go down to town hall and change their party registration prior to Primary Day in order to vote in that party's primary is not "voter suppression". That is the normal way it has always been. The parties did not always even have primaries, as late as 1968 only 12 states held primaries at all. They were closed primaries, of course. The rest of the states had the party leaders send the delegates-or the state leaders became the delegates themselves-to select the presidential nominee. The state delegations dealt and bargained with each other over who would get the prize.

Now the Bernie contingent is screaming that because they were independents and not allowed to vote in some primaries, they are being "voter suppressed". What nonsense.

You know better, Debra. You have demonstrated a profound knowledge of American political history in previous years on this forum, you know every world I post is true. And yet you will still talk about "voter suppression" of independents in a closed primary as if it was a real thing, all to further your candidate.

Well, the delegates who were denied their convention credentials were not given any opportunity to challenge the committee decision and prove their right to be there ...

On the false and wildly inaccurate accusations that there were 64 potential Sanders delegates in question who were “denied” by the State Convention’s Credentials Committee on Saturday:
•Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated as delegates after investigation.
•The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information — such as address, date of birth and name — could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.
•Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.

That suppression of asking them for info, not getting it and then not seating them when they don't even show up and ask to be seated. No wonder Debbie things this is outlandish behavior. The Democrats should have gone to their house and picked them up (if only they had bothered to confirmed their address.)

DrewDad wrote:

I suspect there are millions and millions of Sanders voters who, come election day and they're faced with a choice of "Trump vs. Clinton" will, perhaps grudgingly, tick the box for Clinton.

Not to mention the other 100,000,000 people who will vote in the general election who will have failed to cast a vote in ANY primary election/caucus.

The small, tiny percentage of #bernieorbust or the #bernthesystemdown people can stay home on election day. I don't want Hillary to appeal to them. I want Hillary to focus on the other 150 Million voters in the country.

Gosh. I would hate to think anyone would use a straw man in this discussion.

Certainly no one would be arguing that 64 Sanders delegates were refused being seated and thus affecting the outcome of the national delegation, would they?

The "cult of personality" meme is just a manipulation to change the narrative. The same could be said about Obama ... and millions and millions of people supported him. Obama inspired people with his mantra, "a change we can believe in", but that promised change did not materialize.

Bernie's voice is our voice. We ... millions and millions of "we" want change ...

we abhor the corruption and the huge negative effect it has on our lives and on our children's lives. If the corruption continues, our future is bleak.

I agree, if the goal is to maintain a two-party system. That's not my personal desire.