I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

We aren't dismissive. However, hard core Sandersistas are complaining about "voter suppression", and it's BS. Voter suppression is being denied your vote in November. Voter suppression is not requiring you to register beforehand as a member of the party in whose primary you wish to vote for. The party in question determines that, and has always determined that.

The complaints about "voter suppression" because the Sanders supporters had to experience closed primaries are BS. Up until the last couple of elections, ALL primaries were closed primaries which required the voter to come down to town hall some time before Election Day and register in the party in whose primary they intended to vote. Up to 1968, only 12 states had primaries at all, all the other states had their delegates selected by party leaders.

I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, of course, but your whole purpose in returning to A2K was to sloganeer and act victimized. So you will ignore what you know is the truth about primaries, and screem "voter suppression".

From your earlier incarnation on A2K I know very well that you are completely aware of primaries and their requirements, as well as the fact they are a relatively new way to select a president. So you know full well that being turned away from a primary because you didn't join the party in question before Primary Day is not voter suppression at all. Yet you still trumpet it here on A2K, because you are here to sloganeer.

What the Democratic Party seems to be missing is this:

This movement is not about Bernie Sanders. This movement is about affecting real change in our government. Biased headlines and unfounded political attacks cannot undo this movement, for this movement did not come to fruition in spite of rampant political corruption, this movement is a direct response to said political corruption.

Bernie Sanders’ supporters are perhaps the most passionate of any voters this election cycle, voting against the current status-quo which represents and maintains the intersection of the worst forms of corruption. Whether it be political, financial, environmental, or social corruption, it can be deduced to one common root: corporate money in politics.

With political efficacy on a steady decline, the American people are recognizing that public policy considerations are no longer made with the public’s interests in mind.

Instead, policies are almost exclusively formulated—by both Democrats and Republicans—based on the interests of their corporate donors, who ensure the election and re-election of our public officials, while granting politicians high-level industry positions and overpaid consulting and speaking fees once they leave public office (a phenomenon known as “the revolving door”).

Knowing that this seemingly indomitable system of corruption plagues our nation, Sanders’ supporters see this election as a once-in-a-lifetime chance to significantly alter the bleak future we are currently headed towards. With unfettered income and racial inequality, global climate change, perpetual wars, and crippling healthcare and educational costs, this year’s presidential election will have lasting implications not just for the United States, but for the world at large.

Additionally, while a significant block of Sanders’ supporters are independents (a huge strength in the general election), the mainstream media continuously undermines the fact that most of Sanders’ supporters are loyal Democratic voters.

By consistently insulting these Democrats for their support of Sanders and his message against the corrupt political and financial system, the party is sending a very clear message: the Democratic Party is no longer the party of the people. This truth should be of pressing concern to the Democratic Party, as they are poised (should Hillary Clinton become the nominee) to not only lose the support of millions of Americans who do not vote based on our binary party system, but they are also on the path to lose millions of Americans who would otherwise consider themselves staunch Democrats.


The Clinton campaign has expressed systematic contempt for Sanders and his movement, which aims to build a better, more progressive (and frankly, more democratic) Democratic party. By doing so, they have not only offended a core constituency of the Democratic party, prompting many progressives to reject the possibility of supporting Clinton in the general election, but they have also discounted millions of independents (and others, including Civil Libertarians, Green Party voters, new voters, and so on) who could potentially lead to the revitalization of the Democratic Party under a Sanders presidency.

Not only has the Democratic Party establishment effectively alienated millions of independents, but they have also repeatedly demeaned millennial voters: a necessary constituency for the future viability of the Democratic Party.

If the Democratic Party establishment succeeds in its indefatigable attempt to maintain the existing status-quo, not only will it jeopardize the party’s success in this year’s general election, it could jeopardize the future of the Democratic Party itself.

Any violence that happened is in direct response to being cheated.

You don't support Bernie Sanders,

you don't support his democratic ideals,

you don't support his inclusiveness,

you don't care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

You're not convincing the "I'll never vote for Hillary Clinton" to become Hillary Clinton voters.

No disagreement here, where I part company with some of you here is to conclude that failing to condem it stridently or explicitly enough means he has failed to do so entirely or even incited it.

I share the opinion that he is having a hard time letting go when he should and have my qualms with his end game here too, but I just personally don't see the claim that he is inciting, condoning of failing to condemn this behavior. He's just doing it badly in my personal take (which doesn't bear repeating any further).

It's not as simple as you claim.

Why don't you write to him and say so. You don't support Bernie Sanders, you don't support his democratic ideals, you don't support his inclusiveness, you don't care what anyone else has to say on the matter. You're not convincing the "I'll never vote for Hillary Clinton" to become Hillary Clinton voters. Just give me my five thumbs down and move on

You don't support Bernie Sanders, you don't support his democratic ideals, you don't support his inclusiveness, you don't care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

Have you taken the side to look at both sides of the story, Engineer?

I expect better of you. It is not that hard to step out of the echo chamber to at least find the responsible voices who will explain the other side to you.