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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
layman
 
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Tue 6 Jun, 2017 07:38 pm
Of course Hillary Clinton fell right in step with other cheese-eating democrats on the Hussein issue:

Quote:
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 07:50 pm
@layman,
We know that HRC lied just like GWB lied and Colon Powell lied and Dick Cheney lied - hells bells, layman they are all part of the US government and that is what all US governments do - LIE.
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layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 07:52 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Of course Hillary Clinton fell right in step with other cheese-eating democrats on the Hussein issue:


For example:

Quote:
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." (Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998)

"[W]e urge you to take necessary actions (including air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter (to Clinton) signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and John Kerry Oct. 9, 1998

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat …the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


Democrats lied, and people died, eh?
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:25 pm
@layman,
All you illustrate, layman, is that the US illegally invaded Iraq, which is the supreme war crime, encompassing all further crimes within the initial supreme crime.

The US/UK/... are responsible for all the crimes that have flowed from their first war crime.

Lash is trying to discuss this and you all are trying to cover it all up. Just as you have done for the over 70 illegal invasions since WWII.

That is the height of immorality. The German people were held to account, why shouldn't American war criminals be held to account?
layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:31 pm
@camlok,
The U.N. approved the invasion by a virtually unanimous vote, eh, Cambo?

It wasn't the U.S.--it was NATO--that invaded, later assisted by the ISAF. Try to keep up.

Quote:
United Nations Security Council resolution 1386, adopted unanimously on 20 December 2001, after reaffirming all resolutions on the situation in Afghanistan, particularly resolutions 1378 (2001) and 1383 (2001), the Council authorised the establishment of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to assist the Afghan Interim Authority in the maintenance of security in Kabul and surrounding areas. The Security Council supported international efforts to eradicate terrorism in accordance with the United Nations Charter, and reaffirmed resolutions 1368 (2001) and 1373 (2001).
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:40 pm
@layman,
Quote:

Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War
The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was every bit as illegal as the invasion of Iraq. Why, then, do so many Americans see it as justifiable?

The U.N. Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan. Resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity; the prevention of the commission of and support for terrorist attacks; and the taking of necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist activity, including the sharing of information. In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the international conventions against terrorism.

The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the charter because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after Sept. 11, or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation." This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the U.N. General Assembly.

Bush's justification for attacking Afghanistan was that it was harboring Osama bin Laden and training terrorists. Iranians could have made the same argument to attack the United States after they overthrew the vicious Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1979 and he was given safe haven in the United States. The people in Latin American countries whose dictators were trained in torture techniques at the School of the Americas could likewise have attacked the torture training facility in Fort Benning, Ga., under that specious rationale. Those who conspired to hijack airplanes and kill thousands of people on 9/11 are guilty of crimes against humanity. They must be identified and brought to justice in accordance with the law. But retaliation by invading Afghanistan is not the answer and will only lead to the deaths of more of our troops and Afghans.

The hatred that fueled 19 people to blow themselves up and take 3,000 innocents with them has its genesis in a history of the U.S. government's exploitation of people in oil-rich nations around the world. Bush accused the terrorists of targeting our freedom and democracy. But it was not the Statue of Liberty that was attacked. It was the World Trade Center, the symbol of the U.S.-led global economic system; and the Pentagon, the heart of the U.S. military, that took the hits. Those who committed these heinous crimes were attacking American foreign policy. That policy has resulted in the deaths of 2 million Iraqis -- from both Bill Clinton's punishing sanctions and George W. Bush's war. It has led to uncritical support of Israel's brutal occupation of Palestinian lands, and it has stationed more than 700 U.S. military bases in foreign countries.

http://www.alternet.org/story/93473/afghanistan%3A_the_other_illegal_war


layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:49 pm
@camlok,


Well, at least your commie-ass source named themselves right, eh?

"Alternet," indeed.
camlok
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:50 pm
@layman,
You are such bad liars, layman. And you, you are both a bad liar and the best of liars.

Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:52 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

You are such bad liars, layman.

Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.


A damn commie, just like I thought, eh? One commie opinion piece can't change the facts, sorry.

Quote:
The National Lawyers Guild (NLG) is a progressive public interest association. The group declares itself to be "dedicated to the need for basic and progressive change in the structure of our political and economic system . . . to the end that human rights shall be regarded as more sacred than property interests."

During the McCarthy era it was accused of operating as a communist front group. In 2003 NLG attorney Lynne Stewart was convicted of conspiracy and providing material support to terrorists, sentenced to ten years in prison, and disbarred, for helping pass messages from prison for Omar Abdel-Rahman, her former client and mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, to his followers in al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, an organization designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the US Secretary of State, and for committing perjury.
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 08:56 pm
@layman,
Now that's one of your bad lies, a terrible one actually. You are such a shallow individual with such shallow knowledge.
layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:00 pm
@camlok,
Nice try, cheese-eater.
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:01 pm
@layman,
You never have cheese on your quadruple Big Mac.
layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:04 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

You never have cheese on your quadruple Big Mac.


I don't eat candyass hamburgers. I only eat T-bone steaks, and **** like that, which I steal from the local Piggly Wiggly store, eh?
camlok
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:07 pm
@layman,
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan

The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."

He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:08 pm
@camlok,
You cite the lame-ass opinon of yet another commie, eh? Figures, sho nuff.
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:11 pm
@layman,
Quote:
which I steal from the local Piggly Wiggly store


A thief, a liar, a supporter of the world's worst war criminals and terrorists. What other endearing qualities do you possess?
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layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:11 pm
@layman,
Quote:
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 (UNSCR 1441), adopted on Nov. 8, 2002 by a vote of 15-0, stated in part:

"Recognizing the threat Iraq's noncompliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorizes Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area.

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwait and third country nationals wrongly detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq...

Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency], and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991)..."

Nov. 8, 2002 - UNSCR 1441 (58 KB)


The U.S. never agreed unconditionally to withdraw it's forces from Hussein's Iraq in 1991. The "cease fire" was strictly contingent on his compliance with the terms of a peace treaty which he continuously violated. The U.N. had, in 1991, approved the resumption of forceful invasion if the treaty was violated.
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camlok
 
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Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:14 pm
@layman,
You keep attempting to malign communists. You are a throwback to that POS senator Joe McCarthy, another liar of epic proportions.

They haven't invaded sovereign nations over 70 times, murdering tens of millions, the US has.

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layman
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:31 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

Now that's one of your bad lies...


Yeah, yeah, just like when Bush lied when he claimed he didn't order the 9/11 attack, eh? Everyone lies if they don't buy into your wack-ass insanity.

Funny, though, that it was your commie-ass lawyer from the NLG who was convicted of perjury for denying that he was providing material support to terrorists, eh?

Aint nobody ever convicted my ass of perjury--yet, anyway.
camlok
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 09:38 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Yeah, yeah, just like when Bush lied when he claimed he didn't order the 9/11 attack, eh?


Bush described bombs and explosions going on at the twin towers, concussing firemen, police and first responders. How do you explain that when the US government official conspiracy theory says there were no bombs?
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