I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

The brothers know a good counter-punch when they see one, eh?

0 Replies

@McGentrix,

We are ruining the lives of generations of Middle Eastern people by bombing countries either outright, by proxy, or by selling arms to countries who are attacking others.

Imagine how you would feel about the US if you were living in that. If a bombing killed someone in your family?

If you observe American military action around the world - dispassionately, not defensively - just factually - you could easily see why so many ME people are willing to die to strike at our society.

I just want very much to be innocent of destruction. I wish Americans would stand up with our votes and activism to achieve what we can - what we almost did - responsible, peaceful global leadership.

2 Replies

This is what Pay for Play looks like.

So much evidence has finally been coming out about the Clinton's graft and corruption. I'm certain if they'd retained power, we'd never have seen it.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/clinton-ally-aids-campaign-of-fbi-officials-wife-1477266114

0 Replies

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

We are ruining the lives of generations of Middle Eastern people by bombing countries either outright, by proxy, or by selling arms to countries who are attacking others.

Imagine how you would feel about the US if you were living in that. If a bombing killed someone in your family?

If you observe American military action around the world - dispassionately, not defensively - just factually - you could easily see why so many ME people are willing to die to strike at our society.

I just want very much to be innocent of destruction. I wish Americans would stand up with our votes and activism to achieve what we can - what we almost did - responsible, peaceful global leadership.

You're implying that the US is just going around willy-nilly dropping bombs on people.
Are you ok with ruthless dictators killing the people trying to rise up against them?
Are you ok with terrorists bombing innocent people while they shop or enjoy entertainment?
Are you ok with a govt running a country that funds and supports terrorism around the world?

I do not see how you could possibly be ok with any of those and that is why the US does what it does. Imagine the alternative.

1 Reply

There's a chicken and egg dynamic that you and I must disagree on.

It's true I'd rather not be complicit in the death and destruction. Let them have it. Let the UN step in. Let us stop arms sales and call upon the UN to step into its shoes and do its job.

This World's Policeman **** is beyond old for me.

If the US is the premiere example of the best humankind has to offer, and this is how we project that power, what a failure mankind is. Think of what we could be doing instead of elbowing fellow players on a big schoolyard playground.

2 Replies

@Lash,

Probably do you more harm than good, but, I agree completely.

2 Replies

@McGentrix,

Quote:

You're implying that the US is just going around willy-nilly dropping bombs on people.

Lash doesn't have to imply that, McG, the historical record shows that. That is how tens of millions have died in the over 70 illegal invasions just since WWII.

Quote:

Are you ok with ruthless dictators killing the people trying to rise up against them?

The US is more than okay with that. The US has always installed the dictators that " kill the people trying to rise up against them". What planet do you live on? Oh right, the US propaganda planet.

Quote:

Are you ok with terrorists bombing innocent people while they shop or enjoy entertainment?

Like the US Operation Gladio. Like the US and its dictator digging trenches football fields long and machine gunning Korean citizens into those trenches, under the watchful eye of US military and CIA, who filmed it and then blamed it on the "Communists", with the help of Humphrey Bogart.

Quote:

Are you ok with a govt running a country that funds and supports terrorism around the world?

You describe the USA. The only country ever to be convicted of international terrorism. The only country to be condemned for 25 years in a row for its terrorism against Cuba - 198 to 2.

Quote:

I do not see how you could possibly be ok with any of those and that is why the US does what it does. Imagine the alternative.

Yes do, a peaceful world.

0 Replies

@revelette1,

Why don't you speak out then, Revelette? Really speak out!

1 Reply

@camlok,

JTT, I'm going to stop saying anything remotely critical of the US until you step up with the name of YOUR country and cop to where it stands on the international crime scene.

LOL. I'm roundly hated for my views, but giving you a one-sided platform for one-sided America hate is something I wouldn't forgive myself for.

Ante up, compadre.

2 Replies

@Lash,

A western nation that is and has been complicit in US war crimes and terrorism. That pretty much encompasses all western nations - Germany, France, Holland, Australia, New Zealand, ... .

You can do anything your "conscience" desires, Lash.

0 Replies

@Lash,

Quote:

LOL. I'm roundly hated for my views, but giving you a one-sided platform for one-sided America hate is something I wouldn't forgive myself for.

The historical record, the facts, much of it from US government sources, as John Stockwell, ex CIA, points out that it isn't a matter of the old canard, American hate, that allows people to readily dismiss the truth. It's these sources that point up, with no doubt whatsoever, that the US is and has been an equivalent to what Nazi Germany was.

Over 70 illegal invasions and tens of millions murdered says it pretty clearly. When one looks at the details, the horror is vast, the horror is mind boggling, the horror is what scares even the believers to tune out - extreme cognitive dissonance.

You've hardly been "out" for a day or two, Lash. McG disagrees with you and Rev supports you. You ain't seen nothing, Baby!

1 Reply

@camlok,

Hey. I've been out for weeks!

I did expect a much greater degree of anger. Actually, the most conservative posters here, who I know are sincerely angered or surprised by my opinion about American military interventionism, have been admirably restrained in their disagreement.

They compare with much more decency and maturity than the so-called liberals in their Clinton defense during election season.

3 Replies

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Hey. I've been out for weeks!

I did expect a much greater degree of anger. Actually, the most conservative posters here, who I know are sincerely angered or surprised by my opinion about American military interventionism, have been admirably restrained in their disagreement.

They compare with much more decency and maturity than the so-called liberals in their Clinton defense during election season.

It could be that you didn't include any personal attacks in your post toward them.

If you posted about American military interventionism as much as you do about Clinton, I think you'd see some changes.

Seriously, I look at you and camlok the same way...camlok is fixed on 9/11 and anti-US the same way you're fixed on Clinton. I'd swear that you think she kidnapped your dog or something. Maybe she stole your sweater?

3 Replies

@Lash,

Quote:

. Actually, the most conservative posters here, who I know are sincerely angered or surprised by my opinion about American military interventionism, have been admirably restrained in their disagreement.

That is fear, Lash, only fear.

0 Replies

@maporsche,

Quote:

It could be that you didn't include any personal attacks in your post toward them.

Stop being so whiny, maporsche. The German people were savaged for their complicity. When one hides evil, supports evil, seemingly cherishes evil, always talking up how great one's country is, you are shocked that you get some backLASH.

0 Replies

@maporsche,

Quote:

If you posted about American military interventionism

That is a lie right there, maporsche.

Quote:

Seriously, I look at you and camlok the same way...camlok is fixed on 9/11 and anti-US the same way you're fixed on Clinton. I'd swear that you think she kidnapped your dog or something. Maybe she stole your sweater?

The real strange thing is, that no one is willing to put forward any evidence for what you all believe is a rock solid US government story of 911. Why? If I was a true believer in the official story, I would be putting forward all the evidence in support of it.

But to get back to the central issue. Why on earth shouldn't Lash be fixed on an issue she believes in? The Clintons are scum - everyone knows it - it's only partisanship that keeps you off that topic.

You, blatham, CI, and a bunch of others are all doing the same thing.

1 Reply

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

We are ruining the lives of generations of Middle Eastern people by bombing countries either outright, by proxy, or by selling arms to countries who are attacking others.

These horrible people are attacking us. If their lives are ruined because of it, maybe they shouldn't have attacked us to begin with.

Lash wrote:

Imagine how you would feel about the US if you were living in that. If a bombing killed someone in your family?

I wouldn't have been attacking innocent Americans to begin with, so America wouldn't be defending itself from me.

Lash wrote:

If you observe American military action around the world - dispassionately, not defensively - just factually - you could easily see why so many ME people are willing to die to strike at our society.

I observe dispassionately and factually all the time.

The reason they attack us is because they are delusional nutbags.

Lash wrote:

I just want very much to be innocent of destruction.

The bad guys won't give us that option. We have to either defend ourselves or get slaughtered.

Lash wrote:

I wish Americans would stand up with our votes and activism to achieve what we can - what we almost did - responsible, peaceful global leadership.

No such thing as peaceful leadership. If we stop defending ourselves, the bad guys will slaughter us.

2 Replies

@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Why on earth shouldn't Lash be fixed on an issue she believes in? The Clintons are scum - everyone knows it - it's only partisanship that keeps you off that topic.

I never said she shouldn't be. She can do whatever she wants.
I just group her in with your lunacy now though. Engaging in conversations with her is a lot like engaging in them with you...not very rewarding and always a struggle.

1 Reply

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

There's a chicken and egg dynamic that you and I must disagree on.

There is no chicken egg dynamic. The bad guys are attacking us and we are defending ourselves.

Lash wrote:

It's true I'd rather not be complicit in the death and destruction. Let them have it. Let the UN step in. Let us stop arms sales and call upon the UN to step into its shoes and do its job.
This World's Policeman **** is beyond old for me.

If we stop defending ourselves we will be slaughtered.

Lash wrote:

If the US is the premiere example of the best humankind has to offer, and this is how we project that power, what a failure mankind is. Think of what we could be doing instead of elbowing fellow players on a big schoolyard playground.

People are horrible in many ways. But our defense against the bad guys is nothing to be ashamed of.

2 Replies

@oralloy,

The fear you must live in and with, daily.

I hope you have a lot of support in your personal life oralloy.

1 Reply

I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know