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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 01:36 pm
@Real Music,
Also, the republicans are the ones making every effort to suppress voting in many states.
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Blickers
 
  2  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 01:56 pm
@Real Music,
Quote RealMusic:
Quote:
Also the republicans would have took the phrase self proclaimed Socialist democrat, and ripped Bernie sanders to shreds.

Absolutely. Even though the Republicans themselves are running the President of the Putin Fan Club , Donald Trump, for president.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 02:03 pm
@Blickers,
I think about half or more of the republicans are wondering what happened to their party. LOL
Trump has proven to be unawares of many things domestic and foreign/ international.
BTW, Trump did not graduate at the top of his class at Wharton as he claims. He's not even listed in the cum laude rolls.
Trump is a bigot and liar.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 05:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sometimes, I get my news from the Inquisitr.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inquisitr.com/3342500/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-had-hillary-clinton-moles-inside-the-bernie-sanders-campaign/amp/?client=safari
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Lash
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 05:31 pm
Many times recently, owing largely to the fact that most major media outlets have been proven to be in Clinton's pocket, I get news from Wikileaks.

Thank goodness for someone who shows facts.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
Lash
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 05:37 pm
Since my views are progressive, Truthdig covers issues in a forthright way that I respect. I get a lot of my news from them.

http://m.truthdig.com/tag/hillary+clinton
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RABEL222
 
  4  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 05:47 pm
@joefromchicago,
Dident think up the tRump thing but thought it showed just the right amount of contempt for the "man?". And the only way I will win anything is if a democratic president appoints liberal judges to the supreme court, in order to get rid of corporations being people, and other court legislation a republican court has foisted on the people.
roger
 
  5  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 06:38 pm
@RABEL222,
Just a personal opinion, but they all sound infantile to me. tRump, Hitlary, Killary, KKKlinton - all the same to me. You disagree, so go with what tickles your fancy.
Lash
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 06:44 pm
@roger,
I think it's a small-minded practice of infantile people.
Real Music
 
  4  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 06:47 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Absolutely. Even though the Republicans themselves are running the President of the Putin Fan Club , Donald Trump, for president.

Good point.
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JPB
 
  3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 07:36 pm
@izzythepush,
Not knowing what Aleppo "was" doesn't make him a moron, it makes him not fit to be the leader of the free world. If you look at the Libertarian platform they don't think that's what we should aspire to be. About 10% of Americans agree with him. That's a subject for another thread... if not US then who? Faulting a Libertarian for not knowing what's happening in Aleppo means that you don't understand that party and its platform.
roger
 
  3  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 07:42 pm
@JPB,
I understood that about the party after interviewing the chairman of our county's Libertarian Party. It's a huge negative, but better than Trump.
JPB
 
  2  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 08:11 pm
@roger,
It's not a huge negative to them. It's the rest of us who can't quite wrap our heads around it.
Kolyo
 
  4  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 08:12 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I think it's a small-minded practice of infantile people.


Like referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party".
roger
 
  2  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 08:14 pm
@JPB,
Our fault, of course.
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roger
 
  2  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 08:15 pm
@Kolyo,
Probably because that's what you call a member of the Democratic Party.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 8 Oct, 2016 02:01 am
@Kolyo,
What a weird thing to say. There's a Republican Party and a Democrat party. Not KKlintons Repugs and Shrub.

Even you can see the difference.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Sat 8 Oct, 2016 06:19 am
@Lash,
Megyn Kelly Forced To Apologize On-Air For Reading Bogus Wikileaks Document
By Karoli Kuns

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/megyn-kelly-forced-apologize-air-reading

You might stop and think about reading a Wikileaks document on-air that purports to be from documents hacked earlier this summer, particularly when the phrasing is nothing like Hillary Clinton's manner of speech.

"My dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders," Kelly read from an email purported to be in the Wikileaks dump dropped today.

"In what appears to be a reference to Bernie Sanders, or it's absolutely clear it's people on the left, calling them 'bucket of losers,'" she continued.

After being cautioned by her guests that the emails were unauthenticated and therefore shouldn't be considered anything to be discussing, she continued to try to hammer on the "bucket of losers" phrase.

At the end of her show, she read this statement.

"Team Clinton strongly denies that she called anyone a bucket of losers. That was apparently a doctored quote and not real. We apologize for that error."

As well you should. Any journalist worth their salt would have at least qualified it before quoting it, but it's just so blatantly fake. "Basket of deplorables" is not the same as "bucket of losers" and the yokel who tried to make it look legit is an idiot.

Here is your reminder that the WikiLeaks documents are not trustworthy, nor are they to be considered legit.

Official Warning: #PodestaEmails are already proving to be riddled with obvious forgeries & #blackpropaganda not even professionally done. https://t.co/UuJZrurHAA

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) October 7, 2016

And if you need more, simply rewind the video to the last 20 seconds where Megyn Kelly apologizes on-air for reading BS crafted by stupid hackers or Putiin's propagandists. Take your pick.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sat 8 Oct, 2016 06:22 am
@Lash,
Russian Hackers Altered Emails Before Release to Wikileaks - Updated
By IAmRightYouAreWrong
Tuesday Jul 26, 2016 · 9:53 AM CST

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/26/1552616/-Russian-Hackers-Altered-Emails-Before-Release-to-Wikileaks

The headline jumped out at me and I thought it a good idea to post it here. The original story was posted by Tim Peacock at Peacock Panache. They source the following article on Motherboard by Thomas Rid: All Signs Point to Russia Being Behind the DNC Hack.

I think by now, it’s a foregone conclusion that the bad actors that Wikileaks is releasing information from are state-sponsored and are from Russia. Putin has made no secret of his political love for Trump™ and Republicans have used the occasion to make great hay over the DNC and it’s terse relationship with Bernie. . . .not out of true concern for Sanders, of course, but because they have had to embrace a very undesirable candidate as their standard-bearer.

The big takeaway from the Motherboard article is the following:

The metadata in the leaked documents are perhaps most revealing: one dumped document was modified using Russian language settings, by a user named “Феликс Эдмундович,” a code name referring to the founder of the Soviet Secret Police, the Cheka, memorialised in a 15-ton iron statue in front of the old KGB headquarters during Soviet times. The original intruders made other errors: one leaked document included hyperlink error messages in Cyrillic, the result of editing the file on a computer with Russian language settings. After this mistake became public, the intruders removed the Cyrillic information from the metadata in the next dump and carefully used made-up user names from different world regions, thereby confirming they had made a mistake in the first round.

Then there is the language issue. “I hate being attributed to Russia,” the Guccifer 2.0 account told Motherboard, probably accurately. The person at the keyboard then claimed in a chat with Motherboard’s Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai that Guccifer 2.0 was from Romania, like the original Guccifer, a well-known hacker. But when asked to explain his hack in Romanian, he was unable to respond colloquially and without errors. Guccifer 2.0’s English initially was also weak, but in subsequent posts the quality improved sharply, albeit only on political subjects, not in technical matters—an indication of a team of operators at work behind the scenes.

Rid went on to add:

The metadata show that the Russian operators apparently edited some documents, and in some cases created new documents after the intruders were already expunged from the DNC network on June 11. A file called donors.xls, for instance, was created more than a day after the story came out, on June 15, most likely by copy-pasting an existing list into a clean document. Although so far the actual content of the leaked documents appears not to have been tampered with, manipulation would fit an established pattern of operational behaviour in other contexts, such as troll farms or planting fake media stories. Subtle (or not so subtle) manipulation of content may be in the interest of the adversary in the future. Documents that were leaked by or through an intelligence operation should be handled with great care, and journalists should not simply treat them as reliable sources.

Tim at Peacock Panache expands on this further and in spectacular fashion:

Adding context to why Putin and the Russian government would go to so much trouble to influence the U.S. presidential elections, NPR reported:

The security firm the party brought in last month to deal with the data breach immediately pointed fingers toward what it called “Russian espionage groups.”

“If [it’s a coincidence] it’s a really great coincidence,” said Russia expert Fiona Hill, who directs the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution. “The Russians have a word — ne sluchaino. It means, not accidental. Not by chance.”

Hill said the Russian hackers may not be taking orders directly from Putin, but that they are clearly working with Russian foreign policy interests in mind.

“They don’t have to be run directly by the Kremlin. They can just be encouraged,” Hill said. “They [Russian security services] are very good at knowing how to play our media. We are making this email leak into a huge story, as they knew we would.”

On a personal level, Trump said last fall that he and Putin “would probably get along … very well.” He has repeatedly praised Putin’s strength, particularly when it comes to military intervention in Syria.

Add to that Trump’s fondness for Putin (both as a man and as a hardline leader):

“He’s running his country, and at least he’s a leader, you know unlike what we have in this country,” Trump told MSNBC in December.

During his annual end-of-year marathon news conference in December, Putin returned the compliment, calling Trump “a bright personality, a talented person, no doubt.”

“He says that he wants to move to a different level of relations, to a closer, deeper one, with Russia,” Putin said. “How can we not welcome that?”

Slate added:

In 2007, he praised Putin for “rebuilding Russia.” A year later he added, “He does his work well. Much better than our Bush.” When Putin ripped American exceptionalism in a New York Times op-ed in 2013, Trump called it “a masterpiece.” Despite ample evidence, Trump denies that Putin has assassinated his opponents: “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that.” In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven: “At least he’s a leader.” And not just any old head of state: “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.”

Additionally, several of Trump’s close advisers have Russian ties:

And several advisers in Trump’s orbit have close ties to Russia and Russian interests. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who advises Trump on foreign policy, raised eyebrows in Washington by sitting at a table with Putin during a gala for the state-run English language news channel Russia Today last year. And Trump’s top adviser, Manafort, has done political consulting work for Ukrainian politicians viewed as allies to Russia.

Even Trump’s vaguely stated policy ideals align with the idea of his collusion with Russia right down to his abhorrence of NATO:

More consequential for Moscow: Trump’s repeated skepticism about the value and strength of the NATO alliance, which formed the pillar of Western Europe and North America’s opposition to the Soviet Union over the past half century.

A central tenet of the North Atlantic treaty is that member states view an attack against one of them as an attack against the entire alliance.

Speaking on the NATO alliance with the New York Times last week, Trump attacked NATO saying:

Asked about Russia’s threatening activities, which have unnerved the small Baltic States that are among the more recent entrants into NATO, Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing if those nations have “fulfilled their obligations to us.”

“If they fulfill their obligations to us,” he added, “the answer is yes.”

In essence, Trump wouldn’t live up to the obligations contained in NATO’s charter. While he didn’t explicitly link this reluctance to his relationship with Putin, the writing is on the wall.

That wasn’t the only occasion in which Trump attacked NATO either. “We pay so much disproportionately more for NATO,” Trump said in March. “We are getting ripped off by every country in NATO, where they pay virtually nothing, most of them. And we’re paying the majority of the costs.”

Trump’s anti-NATO remarks and general isolationist stance would benefit Putin’s agenda at large:

The NATO skepticism plays into a much broader isolationist view that Trump has taken during his campaign, a view that would undoubtedly benefit internationally proactive countries like Russia, if it were carried out by a President Trump.

“The most important difference between our plan and that of our opponents is that our plan will put America first,” Trump said Thursday night during his convention speech. “Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.”

Which is to say, Americans should regard any “leaks” published by Wikileaks in the coming weeks leading up to the 2016 presidential elections with a grain of salt. After all, Putin has a puppet in his pocket named Trump and a globe full of hackers, spies and allies all aimed at installing that puppet into the White House.

Instead of fighting Assange about releasing the material, it should be pointed out that not only is Assange using the Wikileaks platform in a personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton, he’s doing so with information that may have been altered and is therefore not trustworthy. First rule of real journalism: Make sure your sources can be trusted.

Edit: Made the Recommended List. . .First time ever! Thanks, Kossacks!

Update: This from the New York Times —

“American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence.

But intelligence officials have cautioned that they are uncertain whether the electronic break-in at the committee’s computer systems was intended as fairly routine cyberespionage — of the kind the United States also conducts around the world — or as part of an effort to manipulate the 2016 presidential election.

The emails were released by WikiLeaks, whose founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he hoped to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the presidency. It is unclear how the documents made their way to the group. But a large sampling was published before the WikiLeaks release by several news organizations and someone who called himself “Guccifer 2.0,” who investigators now believe was an agent of the G.R.U., Russia’s military intelligence service.

Such a public accusation could result in a further deterioration of the already icy relationship between Washington and Moscow, at a moment when the administration is trying to reach an accord with Mr. Putin on a cease-fire in Syria and on other issues. It could also doom any effort to reach some kind of agreement about acceptable behavior in cyberspace, of the kind the United States has been discussing with China.

In an interview with Savannah Guthrie of NBC News on Tuesday, President Obama stopped short of accusing Russian agencies from seeking to manipulate the election but said “Anything's possible.”

He noted that “on a regular basis, they try to influence elections in Europe.”

The rest of the article can be found here: nyti.ms/...
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Blickers
 
  2  
Sat 8 Oct, 2016 08:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote article about Wikileak's "revelation":
Quote:
"Team Clinton strongly denies that she called anyone a bucket of losers. That was apparently a doctored quote and not real. We apologize for that error."
"Losers" is Trump's favorite word for anyone who dares oppose him. Somehow, "genius whistleblower" Assange managed to be given some fake Emails written by Trump's speechwriter and he couldn't figure it out.

At this point, we do have to ask, how much is Assange getting paid by Putin? Rabel22 was right when he said some weeks ago that Assange has to be considered a Russian agent, at this point.
 

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