Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

Among other shortcomings of these videos, there is no sound. The eyewitnesses could hear the shots, but we can't. I watched this video (and others like it) full screen on youtube and it does indeed appear than Finny was shot, with his hands in the air, very early in the video (at around 9:28:18) It was only after that that he reached to his side, where he was wounded. He clearly points at the guy that apparently shot him, but, again, we can't hear his words. He is obviously disoriented and stumbling at that point, and was quickly finished off.

If the appearances here are accurate, this was indeed, beyond question, a cold-blooded murder. Anyone who thinks the cops "would never do such a thing" aint been around much.2

There obviously should be much better videos of the events--dash cams, body cams, helmet cams etc. It appears that the feds only wished to promulgate grainy, blurring, inferior footage of the shooting.

A full investigation should show how many times he was hit and what weapons the bullets came from, among other things.

Any commie here still want to insist that they know this girl is lying or that they know he wasn't shot while his hands were still in the air?

He had a loaded pistol in his pocket. So I'd ask, do you have the same opinion regarding the deaths of unarmed African Americans? Or is it only murder if the "criminal" is white?

Stupid question, if you're asking me. Only commies and other bigots decide that what they want and choose to believe depends on whether they "like" the victim. I was just as adamant that the cop who did the Ferguson shooting should have stood trial as I will be if this video proves out in this case. Even without the enhanced video, I've already said there was no need to shoot him and that I thought they provoked him. There was no need to shoot him when they did, even if the first shot came from behind him. They just "wanted" to kill him.

I think it's criminal, either way, but would never expect a jury to convict..

Here's another enhanced video, only about 13 seconds long, which seems better to me. If you're interested click the "watch on youtube" icon and then go full screen.

http://koin.com/2016/01/30/malheur-occupiers-all-of-us-out-or-all-dead/

I'm thinking these people, cut off from everything but their like-minded militants, actually believe that the majority of people agree with them; that they're considered "shining stars" and not reckless idiots.

I'm wondering if they have a suicide pact....

I selfishly curate my online experience in order to make it pleasant for me. If you don't like the way I do that, then suck it.

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Yeah, the Masada thing again. We probably don't have to worry about that, in one video from the camp Sean's wife is complaining to the FBI about how mean they are to cut off visitors bringing supplies. It sounded like a teenager complaining because her parents are grounding her for misbehavior.

Thanks for the advanced video. It clearly shows that as he got close to the cops, Finnicum dropped his arms from the traditional hands-up position to having his hands going to his body. Everybody knows-even you-that if a gun is being held on you and you drop your arms from the hands-up surrender position to going to the body, you are almost certain to get shot.

Oh, and his hands were fiddling around the outside of a sweatshirt pocket which contained a 9mm gun. I don't know if you heard that.

Ransacked Oregon refuge shows disdain toward America’s rangers

A public backlash against the Malheur occupiers also suggests American sympathy for those who work for the US Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the US Fish and Wildlife Department.
By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer JANUARY 30, 2016

ATLANTA — A video showing a trash-strewn dormitory at the Malheur Federal Wildlife Refuge suggests in part a panicked escape as federal authorities cracked down on an armed occupation by anti-government activists in eastern Oregon.

But to many watching the ragtag occupation of the Malheur, the dormitory mess underscored deep and prevailing disdain not just toward public property, but the men and women in federal uniform who trek into America’s craggiest corners to make sure laws are followed.

A widespread backlash against the Malheur occupiers also suggests American sympathy for those who work for the US Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the US Fish and Wildlife Department. Ten of the occupiers have been charged with threatening and interfering with the duties of a federal officer.

“As I understand it, some of the employees in Oregon, on the refuge, had to abandon their homes, <while> occupiers were reportedly in the homes, rifling through personal papers – I mean, holy cow!” says David Hayes, who served as deputy secretary of the Interior under President Obama. “I have tremendous respect for the public servants who are out there in the region, implementing Congress’ laws and looking out for the interest of all Americans, and trying to do their job. For this to become personalized against them is the biggest tragedy of what’s happening” ...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2016/0130/Ransacked-Oregon-refuge-shows-disdain-toward-America-s-rangers-The-fix-video

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I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for those poor saps who are stuck in that camp now. They put their trust in these glib spokesmen who SEEMED to know so much about how the Federal government is supposedly oppressing them, and all the people around them seemed so manly and dedicated to traditional values, and now look. Now the guys who led them are in jail, as soon as the others lost their leaders they took off, some were arrested and some were not, and these stragglers say that nobody told them they could go until after the deadline for leaving without being arrested had already passed. Talk about being hung out to dry.

I'm not sure about that, too bad it can't end up like the one in Houston, TX ended a few weeks back. The cops went away from a home from similar situation(guns, politics, beer, firearms) about 15 years ago. The guy never left his home for 16 years because he knew if he got caught, he'd get arrested. At least he stayed in a prison of sorts that he paid for himself for sixteen years.

Turns out the gov't gave up on him and his supporters years ago.

Waco could have ended that way, too. 25 years later in a prison they built themselves and never left. No one needed to die. No one needed to die at Ruby Ridge. Not even the Arizona Jack Mormon in Oregon needed to die.

And I guess that Arizona homeowner is the reason the Feds backed off the Bundys a few years ago, figuring it wasn't worth anyone getting killed over. Instead of fading out slowly, his son Ammon decided to take over a wildlife refuge and declare that the Federal government really doesn't have authority over most of the land it holds out west. So the idea was spreading.

I think Ammon Bundy cooked his own goose good and those of his followers a couple of weeks ago, when he left the refuge to go to another state where similar militia leaders wanted his advice on how to do what Bundy was doing at Malheur. Bundy returned bragging about it to the press. At that point, I think the Feds decided that unless they move to shut down this sort of thing, a whole bunch of Federal government land is going to be overrun by gun-toting squatters with women and children so the Feds can't come in forcibly and root them out. That's why I think the Feds are going to see to it that this comes to a definite end, with bad, (but hopefully not fatal), results for the squatters.

Waco would have been kind of hard on the female children with David Koresh sleeping and having more children with them.

Would you like a blanket and a teddy bear too?

gonna share your blankie?

The video evidence that shows his hands weren't up when he was shot? That video evidence? Hmm...... makes you wonder what video you were watching with layman.

Somebody actually said that the video shows his hands were in the air when he was shot?

Why would anyone bother talking to a person who makes that claim? Seriously. Why even bother?

Who said that? Parados? Bobsal stated in large letters that he NEVER had his hands up, I saw that.

As expected, no one has even looked at the video I posted. In order to know if he had his hands up when he was shot, you would have to first actually know when he was shot. Nobody here can legitimately say they know that.

They're cocksure that they know something they can't know, but, what else is new, I ask ya?

The video suggests that he was shot almost immediately after he left the truck, while his hands were clearly in the air--he just didn't fall down the first time he was shot (in his left side). Instead, he grabbed his side, where he had been shot.