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Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

 
 
glitterbag
 
  2  
Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:12 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
My sister-in-law and my 2 oldest nephews live near Austin in Marble Falls. From what I hear, the music scene is top notch, and I really need to visit sooner than later.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:18 pm
@glitterbag,
I live in Marble Falls, remember?
Blickers
 
  1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:39 pm


Looks like the old guy can out-blow the young guy. Seems to be better on the trumpet too.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:46 pm

Oregon Militia's Behavior Increasingly Brazen as Public Property Destroyed

Occupiers of Malheur refuge apparently testing officials’ patience: ‘They’re really trying to get a rise out of somebody,’ says local tribal leader.
By Sam Levin / The Guardian
January 17, 2016

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/oregon-militias-behavior-increasingly-brazen-public-property-destroyed

Lavoy Finicum shows the media a camera that he said was placed there by the FBI to spy on citizens as he and others occupy the Malheur national wildlife refuge.

The militiamen occupying a wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon have adopted increasingly bold and risky tactics in their protest against the federal government, raising questions about how long law enforcement officials can allow the standoff to continue.

Now entering their third week of occupying the Malheur national wildlife refuge in rural Harney County, leaders of the militia appear to be testing the patience of the local sheriff’s department and the FBI by brazenly commandeering and in some cases destroying public property while escalating their anti-government rhetoric.
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Community leaders and government officials in Oregon and beyond say they fear there could be major damage at the refuge and elevated safety risks for employees and local residents if the militia continues to stand its ground, seemingly emboldened by the continuing lack of consequences.

“For these people to go in and just be destructive, they’re really trying to get a rise out of somebody,” said Charlotte Rodrique, chairwoman of the local Paiute Indian tribe, who has argued that Native Americans have much more of a claim to the public land in question than the out-of-state militiamen running the takeover.

“They really want a confrontation.”

On Friday evening, Rodrique said she was horrified to learn that the militia, led by Nevada rancher Ammon Bundy, had paved a road through part of the wildlife sanctuary. That move came days after occupiers destroyed part of a US Fish and Wildlife Service fence, to allow cattle to freely graze on public lands the federal government controls.

Militiamen have also removed cameras at the refuge they claim the FBI was using for “surveillance”. LaVoy Finicum, an Arizona rancher and one of the main spokesmen for the militia, showed up to a Saturday morning press conference carrying a basket filled with black cameras.

“Do you not get tired of the mass surveillance in this country?” Finicum told reporters. “This, in my opinion, is unreasonable search.”

He added: “I want to call out the FBI and their harassment of neighborhood families.”

Finicum and other militiamen seemed undeterred by the Oregon state police’s arrest on Friday of occupier Kenneth Medenbach, 62, who drove a government vehicle off the refuge to the local Safeway supermarket in the town of Burns, 30 miles away.

“Sometimes we make dumb choices,” Finicum said of the arrest.

When driving their own vehicles, however, high-profile militia leaders have had no difficulty entering and leaving the compound. In fact, Finicum and Ryan Bundy, Ammon’s brother, recently left the refuge and drove out of Oregon and were then able to return to the occupation without facing any contact with law enforcement, Finicum told the Guardian.

Finicum said he and Ryan Bundy met out-of-state ranchers interested in mounting a similar protest against the federal government, but declined to say where the meeting took place. During his short trip, he said, he felt confident that law enforcement would not approach or arrest them.

“We did watch our mirrors a lot,” he said.

In addition to his criticisms of the federal government, Finicum slammed Harney County officials for denying the militia access to a community building in Burns, where the occupiers want to present their plans to local residents. Members of a so-called Harney County Committee of Safety, who have worked with Bundy and say they want to take over his cause, are threatening to file a complaint against the county for refusing to allow the militia to use its buildings.

Regarding the wildlife refuge, the Burns Pauite Indian tribe and federal government officials said they were worried about possible damage to cultural resources, artifacts, sensitive records and local wildlife habitats.

The US Fish and Wildlife Service strongly condemned the occupiers for building the new road.

“It’s deplorable,” spokesman Jason Holm said in an email. “I’m not sure what part of the [occupiers’] interpretation of the constitution promotes the destruction and desecration of culturally significant Native American sites … This is disgusting, ghoulish behavior.”

Holm also said the fish and wildlife service had received reports that the occupiers were accessing federal records at the refuge, raising concerns about a possibly dangerous data breach. He said the government was now contracting with a data protection and credit monitoring service to safeguard refuge employees whose personal data may have been compromised.

Rodrique said that when refuge officials undertake projects that disrupt the land, they consult the tribe’s leaders and archaeologists to ensure that there is no damage to burial sites or potential artifacts.

“There is so much history in that area,” she said. “We’ve gotten to a point where everyone is cooperating and working together to preserve archaeological historical sites.”

If the militiamen damage or steal tribal artifacts or confidential documents related to Native American history, Rodrique said, she hoped federal officials would prosecute the men to the fullest extent of the law.

Asked about the tribe’s concerns, Finicum said Native Americans should be working with the militia.

“We’re here for the natives,” he said. “The federal government has been their biggest oppressor.”

Sam Levin is a journalist currently living in Oakland, CA, where he works as a staff writer for the East Bay Express. He previously worked for several alternative weeklies, including Riverfront Times in St. Louis, Westword in Denver, and the Village Voice in New York City
Blickers
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 12:30 am
@bobsal u1553115,
From the Guardian:
Quote:
Finicum said he and Ryan Bundy met out-of-state ranchers interested in mounting a similar protest against the federal government


Wonder what those out-of-state ranchers were thinking of taking over-an armadillo preserve?
glitterbag
 
  2  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 01:38 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I live in Marble Falls, remember?
I do remember, how could I forget. Will you still make biscuits for me?? Also will the sovereign nation of Texas allow me to bring in crab meat from one of the original states who signed the Declaration of Independence during crunch time? I will bring my sacred Maryland spices and a few staples and make you the best crab cakes you or Arch Angle Freddie has ever experienced for his poker games. You can't beat our crab meat!!!! Love you all, think my vodka is is a little strong, oh well can't do everything in moderation.

At last it's time for slumber, and a perfect time to bid all good friends and kin a restful GOOD NIGHT NEW YORK, HOLLYWOOD, AND ALL THE OTHER HAPPENING PLACES.
Now it's time for us to examine and determine between the real and fanciful. Once the estate is s settled, we cousins should look for our claims. But with the knowledge that they might not still exist, we can resolve to forward claims to a higher court. I can barely keep my eyes open. I hope I can make corrections as I find them, but the world will run on, even if it's student's and faculty decision to ignore the Man whose mother and other family's members provided the necessary amount of cash to create a scholorship. I just want the award explained. Much more later, My lungs are killing me tonight.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 05:40 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
I love Austin, and I tell everyone who asks why I love Texas - Austin ain't Texas.


Austin's a great town.
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 06:47 am
@Blickers,
I wonder if they understand the concept of civil society. I find it interesting that most of these simple asses claim to be poor but are able to travel anywhere with big ass four wheel drives and expensive arms, militia mufti, and can stay for weeks.

The organization of these militias are odd in that everyone of these patriots seem to claim the rank of 'captain'. There is miltiaman in Ohio who went from sergeant in the Army to General in his 22 member in his militia unit. There seems to be a lot of opportunity for promotion in the militia!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 06:51 am
@glitterbag,
G*d bless you over there in Maryland, the home of my great-grandmother Coffman nee Buchanan. You have heard of Tito's Vodka, distilled in Austin?

When you and Mr Glitter finally make it out this way, a grand time will be had by all.

Edgar is only two hours away.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 07:19 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 07:42 am
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DrewDad
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:08 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
I love Austin, and I tell everyone who asks why I love Texas - Austin ain't Texas.


Austin's a great town.

Austin sucks. We are infested with bats and Californians. We have cockroaches the size of your hand. Heat often exceeds 105 degrees F in the summer. Traffic is terrible. Stay away.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:24 am
@DrewDad,
Quote:
Austin sucks. We are infested with bats and Californians. We have cockroaches the size of your hand. Heat often exceeds 105 degrees F in the summer. Traffic is terrible. Stay away.


Jimminy jillikers! I had no idea it was that bad!

Still, here in the Pacific Northwest where I live, environmental conditions are such that each morning we all have to soak our underwear in bleach before we put them on just to hold back the algae build up.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:45 am
@glitterbag,
You need to relax and put me on Ignore. Blatham knows it was in jest.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 10:00 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Blatham knows it was in jest.

Indeed. When I visualize Finn, it is as the Woody Allen jester in Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex.
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 11:02 am
@blatham,
Thats what Austinites tell folks when they ask about Austin.

The population is 900K+ not including the "metropolitan area". In the 1970's it was 250K at most. There were seasonal and yearly changes in population because of the size of UT and the fact that the Legislature meets every other year.

Its still pretty good if your income is six figure and you can live downtown. Where I live is about sixty miles west and in what I think of as Austin's country cousin. I used to be a real 78704 and lived in a loft above a headshop that had been bordello up to the sixties across the street from where there had just closed an Army airbase from WWII. Its a yuppy mall now, with an Opal Divines, a live theater, a guitar shop etc. There's stuff there I like. And around the corner Ruta Maya coffee shop and roasters with wonderful music and art. Learned to Tango there.

I still hand dye fabric - more for quilters and sewsters, I dye cotton and silk fabric and silk scarves and my last 'hippie' item - bamboo socks. I pay for space in Marble Falls what I paid in the seventies in Austin.

Austin is still pretty wonderful. But nowhere as wonderful or definitely as cheap as it was even twenty-five years ago.

Don't tell anyone else.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 11:04 am
@blatham,
Quote:
I visualize Finn, it is as the Woody Allen jester in Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex.


If Woody Allen were Tea Party or extreme Libertarian.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 11:18 am
@bobsal u1553115,
An how does Tea Party or extreme Libertarian members connected?
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 11:37 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

Re: bobsal u1553115 (Post 6111193)
An how does Tea Party or extreme Libertarian members connected?


Two things:

1. You could have avoided typing that post if you'd have noted that I posted "...Tea Party or extreme Libertarian...", not "....Tea Party/extreme Libertarian....".

You know like: French or German, not meaning to conflate French and German.

2. Certainly there are some similarities.
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jan, 2016 12:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Don't tell anyone else.


Not true! Austin sucks donkey balls. Humid, crowded, and no straight roads.

Move anywhere else in Texas other than Austin. San Antonio is doing great. Houston and Corpus are on the coast. Fort Worth is a sleepy little town in stone's throw of all of Dallas' culture.

 

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