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Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 04:21 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
The people who want to protect nature from mankind at all costs are in the true sense of the word extremists as this is clearly not a generally held position by Americans.

But no such individuals exist. You should take the time to write a phrase or sentence that reflects the real world.

Obviously there are extremists in the environmental movement. All movements have that feature (it's a bell curve). Years ago I was sitting in a natural hotspring pool with a bunch of strangers and a middle aged lady was bemoaning clear-cut logging practices. I suggest that the size of the cut would be the critical factor, that if a cut was 100' by 100' that would have no consequence for the survival of resident biota. She stuck to her position because it was simple.

But many developers are out to make money and moral/ethical considerations don't much enter into their deliberations. I grew up in the Fraser River valley (a wide swath of fertile land with mountains on either side - one of Canada's most productive agricultural areas) and the provincial government passed laws limiting housing development on this agricultural land - pushing development up into the hills around. Developers (lots of them) tried to kill the law and still are. Cheaper to build on flat land. And for them, cheaper is the thing.

A reasonable stance is to limit development in such a circumstance of in other circumstances, as for example, where a species is threatened.
farmerman
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 05:47 pm
@blatham,
we were setting up a small garnet float mine in the Canadian Shield and , unbeknownst to anyone on our team there were lots of trees that were "Spiked" with thick chrome steel rods, by a bunch of people who saw themselves as "protectors of the forest".A sub-contractor operator of a tree hedger was critically wounded as he hit a spike with the blades of the hedger. The spike tore through the windshield of his cab and did everything to his head but decapitate it. He wound up going through a life of pain and disfigurement even after lots of reconstructive surgery.

The "environmentalists" were never caught, punished or even much sought by the RCMP . In the US, some hair burning right wing radio hosts would at least yell "shame".

Everyso often there is some use for douche nozzles like Glenn Beck.



Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Wed 13 Jan, 2016 05:50 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
The people who want to protect nature from mankind at all costs are in the true sense of the word extremists as this is clearly not a generally held position by Americans.

But no such individuals exist. You should take the time to write a phrase or sentence that reflects the real world


Perhaps millions upon millions don't exist, but denying that any do is less in touch with the real world than anything I've written. Walter, in his post, seems to be explaining why they don't exist in America, which I think it's safe to assume, means he believes they do in Germany. Perhaps you should lecture him on the facts of the real world.

Which brings me to the unfortunate fact that you seem to fixate on one or two sentences in what I post without bothering to consider the rest.

If, in this case, you had, you would have noticed the following and saved yourself the time spent in being redundant

Quote:
I'm not arguing against the general concept of preserving wildlife and natural habitats, and any decisions made in this regard shouldn't be based on whether or the critters involved please human eyes, but somewhere between stopping any and all encroachment on developed land and carelessly rendering species extinct there is a balance to be struck.

Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Wed 13 Jan, 2016 05:52 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

we were setting up a small garnet float mine in the Canadian Shield and , unbeknownst to anyone on our team there were lots of trees that were "Spiked" with thick chrome steel rods, by a bunch of people who saw themselves as "protectors of the forest".A sub-contractor operator of a tree hedger was critically wounded as he hit a spike with the blades of the hedger. The spike tore through the windshield of his cab and did everything to his head but decapitate it. He wound up going through a life of pain and disfigurement even after lots of reconstructive surgery.

The "environmentalists" were never caught, punished or even much sought by the RCMP . In the US, some hair burning right wing radio hosts would at least yell "shame".

Everyso often there is some use for douche nozzles like Glenn Beck.






Surely that never happened. You should take the time to write a phrase or sentence that reflects the real world.
BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 13 Jan, 2016 06:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
An given the spiking of trees are hardy either a secret or unknown why are you so sure it never happen?
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 07:31 pm
@farmerman,
I think I just found my next signature line!!!!!

"Surely that never happened. You should take the time to write a phrase or sentence that reflects the real world."

This will have to do until I can find something a tad more pompous and verbose.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Wed 13 Jan, 2016 08:11 pm
@glitterbag,
Not to put a damper on your glee, but you do realize, don't you, that the line you so love is a chiding paraphrasing of blatham's? Take a look at a couple of posts above it.

But feel free to use it. Every time I see it, I will be reminded of how pompous you think our blatham is and how foolish you are.
edgarblythe
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 08:17 pm
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12493952_10153326457246769_5739499917256200087_o.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 08:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I've read a whole lot of blatham and glitterbags posts, and I disagree with your assessment. blatham pompous? Not by a stretch....
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 10:48 pm
@farmerman,
Yes. Those types exist. I suspect though that the RCMP failure to seek, find and capture them would have arisen as a consequence of the difficulties in finding and prosecuting. Who knows when that spiking would have been done? And in my experience, the RCMP are usually quite eager, institutionally, to protect the interests of extraction industries.
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 10:51 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,

Quote:
If, in this case, you had, you would have noticed the following and saved yourself the time spent in being redundant


Guilty as charged. I apologize. It was careless.
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blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
blatham pompous? Not by a stretch....


It's a fairly common indictment, ci. Even my daughter refers to my "teacher voice". And my two brothers, also teachers, get the same criticism from their kids. So I have to concede there may be something to this.

But not really enough to worry much about. Why should I demand perfection of myself just because I demand it of others, I ask you?
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:04 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
And in my experience, the RCMP are usually quite eager, institutionally, to protect the interests of extraction industries.


what a polite way of saying that
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:05 pm
@ehBeth,
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what a polite way of saying that

That got an immediate laugh. I love you.
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blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:16 pm
Haley's counter to the SOTU speech gained a lot of positive commentary, even from Axelrod and Begala, to name just two. But James Downie at the Post has an insightful take on it I haven't seen from anyone else...

Quote:
“We live in a time of threats like few others in recent memory” doesn’t become magically less fear-inducing when spoken rather than shouted, or when mixed in with promises of lower taxes. The message is still the same: Be afraid. That fear and the anger from the GOP establishment’s apparent complacency are the reasons behind the strength of Trump, Cruz and others. Platitudes from Nikki Haley and others won’t stop that fear as long as they keep feeding it.
http://wapo.st/1ZwcLnh
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layman
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

but somewhere between stopping any and all encroachment on developed land and carelessly rendering species extinct there is a balance to be struck.


How many species on this planet? Millions? How many species have come and gone, naturally, over the eons? Billions?

What's so magic about a species, anyway? They come and go all the time, eh?
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blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:19 pm
Bethie
This one's for you (Paul Waldman at the Post)

Quote:
Joshua Green reports that in the latest Bloomberg/Des Moines Register poll, 15 percent of Iowa Republicans say they’re “bothered” by the fact that Ted Cruz was born in Canada. This is just the kind of bigotry Canadians have to deal with all the time.


ps... not sure if you or others are familiar with Waldman. He writes at Greg Sargent's Plumline blog and at The American Prospect". Very smart guy, great writer, and does just the best snark.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Not to put a damper on your glee, but you do realize, don't you, that the line you so love is a chiding paraphrasing of blatham's? Take a look at a couple of posts above it.

But feel free to use it. Every time I see it, I will be reminded of how pompous you think our blatham is and how foolish you are.


Oh it's not glee I feel, it's the sheer pleasure of listening to a blowhard speaking as he assumes smart people speak. It's really not glee...just an utter fascination with the chutzpah, it's simply data for me. I'm happy that you're happy, so we are just chuckling about differing cultures. (It's Dallas, right?) But it does remind me of my Father's wisdom, "The Good Lord made more Horses Asses
than he made Horses". God bless y'all and "Well, bless your heart".
layman
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:22 pm
@glitterbag,
You, of all people, want to talk about OTHER people's pomposity? Go figure, eh?
glitterbag
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:25 pm
@layman,
Are you still here???? How nice for you.
 

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