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Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jan, 2016 11:31 pm
In the previous post, I lauded Paul Waldman's snark. Here's a perfect example...

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And in a development that could transform the presidential race, Phil Robertson of “Duck Dynasty” has endorsed Ted Cruz. The ad really is worth watching. http://bit.ly/1Zweo4h


And yes, it really IS worth watching.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 05:04 am
@glitterbag,
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Re: layman (Post 6107496)
Are you still here???? How nice for you.


You noticed him still here? You do have an eye for very small details!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 05:08 am
@parados,
To be fair,he was playing solitaire
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 06:08 am
Rancher: 'I didn't know anything' about Bundy entering property, destroying fence

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width960/img/oregonian/photo/2016/01/13/-917837ca1e4ea3f9.jpg

Tim Puckett and his crew make repairs to a public fence that was cut by militants to give access for his livestock to refuge land two days ago. Puckett was unaware of their plan and is repairing the fence. Thomas Boyd/Staff

BURNS — Tim Puckett, the rancher whose cattle graze private rangeland adjoining the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, said he didn't give Ammon Bundy and his band of armed militants permission to enter the ranch Monday afternoon and destroy a publicly owned fence.

In fact, Puckett said Tuesday that he has never spoken to Bundy, the leader of a militant group that has occupied the refuge headquarters compound since Jan. 2. The militants are protesting the federal government's land-use policies, advocating for public property to be turned over to local ranchers and loggers.


"I am very upset," Puckett said. His ranch hands have already repaired the fence. "They're not coming onto my place no more," he said of the militants. "If they do, I'm gonna have to do something about it. I don't want them going across my ground."

He said he has no beef with the Bureau of Land Management.

"I work with BLM," Puckett said. "I have no problem with them." He said government officials told him of their plans to erect the fence, which he said "has not nor will it affect my cattle operation."

"I am a good steward of the land. ... In no way do I feel that I am entitled to the refuge for grazing," he said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/rancher_i_didnt_know_anything.html
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layman
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 06:26 am
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Three Idaho lawmakers spent the weekend in Oregon talking with members of the Bundy militia.

Reps. Sage Dixon, Heather Scott, and Judy Boyle, all Republicans, said they were going on a "fact-finding mission." The group was invited by an Oregon state lawmaker.

The lawmakers declined to give an interview Wednesday, instead referring to a prepared statement.

According to the release, the lawmakers first met with local and federal authorities monitoring the situation. There, they say a county deputy was hostile towards their presence, and used "inflammatory language."

Then the group went to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and spoke with Ammon Bundy. They were given a list of grievances from the militia. The armed protestors said their message is being ignored.


http://www.kivitv.com/news/idaho-lawmakers-visit-oregon-militia-standoff

Leave it to those damn republicans to take the side of local government over federal agencies, eh? They're just cutting their own throats. There's money to be made in horsemeat sales, aint they heard? Any good republican who favors land development should welcome the BLM's turtle genocide, too. As soon as the last turtle is dead, that will just be one less endangered species to get in the way of strip mining, fracking, cattle grazing, logging, oil drilling and other important business, can't they see?

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layman
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 06:39 am
Another damn republican, I betcha.

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Congressman Greg Walden represents the state’s second district, which includes most of rural Oregon, including Harney County. He spoke on the House floor last week about the armed occupation. On Wednesday, Think Out Loud host Dave Miller followed up with Walden about his remarks and the ongoing situation. The Congressman’s prepared remarks were only five minutes, but he ended up speaking for nearly half an hour:


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It just all flooded out. Seventeen years of fighting the fight, and dealing with how we get treated in the rural communities in eastern Oregon, thinking about the people’s lives, the poverty, sometimes the desperation, the loss of the mills, the loss of the jobs. Just the thought to our lifestyle, whether that’s hunting or fishing or you know, driving off-road vehicles, whatever it is, public access or forests, thinking of the fights over how fires are fought or not fought, thinking about the litigation, the regulatory threats, some of the things I’ve been working on very recently involving a law I wrote on how to protect Steens Mountain and how the agencies refused to follow the law and fight with me on it. It just all poured out and it just kept going by the way. That’s probably the longest speech I’ve given on the House floor.”


http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/walden-says-occupation-not-legal-but-echoes-frustration/

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 07:43 am
Militant broadcaster brands 15-year-old girl a ‘prostitute’ for crying in fear at Oregon town meeting
Source: rawstory.com

Conservative broadcaster Pete Santilli accused a 15-year-old Oregon girl who cried at a town meeting of “prostitution” on Wednesday.

Earlier this week, Judge Steven Grasty’s granddaughter, Ashlie Presley, choked up at a Burns town meeting while explaining that Ammon Bundy’s armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge had put the community in fear.

“I should not have to be scared in my own hometown,” Presley said. “I know that all of my friends have been scared and have come to me to know what to do.”

While broadcasting from the refuge on Wednesday, Santilli said that Grasty had turned his granddaughter into a “prostitute.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/militant-broadcaster-brands-15-year-old-girl-a-prostitute-for-crying-in-fear-at-oregon-town-meeting/
boomerang
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 09:29 am
Things could get interesting....
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n a county on edge about an ongoing armed occupation of a national wildlife refuge headquarters, the Harney County Sheriff’s Office put out a warning Wednesday about weekend gunfire. Don’t be alarmed, according to the agency, as the racket will be coming from hunters shooting at coyotes.

“Throughout the weekend, as the competition is taking place, folks may hear gunshots or see spotlights at night,” read the message posted in a tweet by the sheriff’s office. “We want to reassure you that (they) are part of the lawful coyote hunt.”

The third annual Harney County Coyote Classic is set to take place this weekend near Burns and Crane, according to the sheriff’s office. The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters, which is occupied by an armed group, is about 30 miles southeast of Burns and 25 miles southwest of Crane.

At least 150 people split into one-, two- and three-person teams are set to be hunting for coyotes this weekend, according to the sheriff’s office. The hunt is mainly on private land around Burns and Crane.

The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife classifies coyotes as predatory animals. They may be hunted year-round and there are no limits as to how many coyotes someone may kill.

Last year, the Harney County Coyote Classic drew criticism from animal rights groups that said it was a waste of wildlife. A poster for last year’s event showed participants could win guns, cash and other prizes for bringing in the highest average weight of killed coyotes each day of the contest, as well as for the heaviest and lightest animal.

The occupied refuge headquarters is along a partly paved, partly gravel road that runs east to west; the road is called by a couple of names, including Sodhouse Lane.

“The competition organizers have asked participants to stay off Sodhouse Lane,” according to the sheriff’s office.

Anyone with questions or safety concerns should call 541-573-3162, according to the sheriff’s office. The line is not monitored throughout the day so anyone who feels in immediate danger is recommended to call 911.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 10:24 am
@boomerang,
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Holding court in the Central Pastime, Burns’s lively hometown tavern, the city’s former mayor Len Vohs made just one request of the Guardian.

“Please be kind to us. Things have been difficult here for a while.”

Vohs is genial and gentle, but his request is firm and sincere. He’s clearly not sure how much more the district can take.

It’s not just the Bundy Bunch’s occupation of the ranch he is referring to – the standoff is just a symptom of the underlying difficulties that have led some locals to give them and other militias a hearing.

Like much of eastern Oregon, Burns and Harney County have long been in economic and demographic decline, and the future only promises more hardships. Staying may mean going down with a sinking ship, and Vohs is one of a long list of local politicians who’ve tried in vain to reverse the long-term trends affecting the region.

But local resources are limited. The outside world often forgets that the inland west is even there, leading some to turn to savior figures – such as the Bundys – who offer simplistic and bizarre solutions to entrenched problems.

... ... ... ... ...

Paramilitary and militia growth is directly related to the breakdown in public safety in parts of rural Oregon. Militia such as the Bundys, the Idaho III%, and the Oath Keepers use the well-worn rightwing tactic of offering to police disorder where the liberal state has failed. “These groups are great strategists, they jump right in saying ‘you need a militia’”, Campbell says. And they also appeal directly to the very real economic distress that affects communities in the “timber belt”, where resource-based prosperity has disappeared.

“These people are half-right”, Berlet says of those seduced by far right actors. “They are accurately perceiving that they are being squashed by the political economy and government of the US. We have an increasingly authoritarian government and an increasing disparity of wealth. That is a recipe for revolt.” Neither major party “has had any sense of responsibility for the collapse of rural economies in the US”, he says, adding that the American dream of modestly increasing prosperity “has been stomped on.” It makes sense for them to be angry.

That anger will hardly be reduced by the circus that has attended the Bundys’ occupation, or the tendency to focus on their stunts, rather than the real pain this community has felt over decades.

What are the kindnesses we can offer communities like Burns? As the siege drags on in the Malheur national wildlife refuge, the question has become far more urgent.
Source, full report
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 03:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I've read a whole lot of blatham and glitterbags posts, and I disagree with your assessment. blatham pompous? Not by a stretch....


I don't think he's too pompous either. You missed the context of the exchange and I'm not going to bother explaining.
layman
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 04:31 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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You missed the context of the exchange and I'm not going to bother explaining.


I'm not sure "missed" is the right word here, Finn. The context is right there for all to see. Hard to miss it. Unless by "miss" you mean incapable of understanding the meaning, maybe. Best I can tell, Glitter plumb "missed" it, in that sense, even after you explicitly pointed it out to her.
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wmwcjr
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 07:05 pm
@blatham,
A Jim Crow denier (Robertson) -- which is almost as obnoxious as a Holocaust denier -- endorses a big fan of the late segregationist Senator Jesse Helms (Cruz). One ugly jerk bully endorses another ugly jerk bully. Nothing remarkable about that. Neutral
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wmwcjr
 
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Thu 14 Jan, 2016 07:18 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
What a wonderful human being! Down into the gutter we go! If he were still alive today, William F. Buckley, Jr., would be appalled by such immature rhetoric. At least I'd like to believe that he would.
blatham
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:33 am
@wmwcjr,
He would be.

And if you wish to become even more dispirited (and who doesn't) imagine if Lincoln or Jefferson or Washington or Adams could have seen into the future and witnessed the debate last night.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:43 am
@wmwcjr,
Bill Buckley was always one of my favorite writers and commentators.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:45 am
@blatham,
How do these dog and pony shows get to be called debates,anyways?
blatham
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 11:26 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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How do these dog and pony shows get to be called debates,anyways?

They are debates of a sort, just a very lousy sort. Both parties seek to determine the shape and process but Republicans have taken this to an extreme. Wikipedia has a pretty good entry that gives some examples of the hisotry here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates
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boomerang
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:14 pm
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BURNS – Oregon State Police on Friday arrested one of the protesters occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge after he drove into town, accusing him of having a stolen vehicle.

The man was identified as Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent. He was arrested on suspicion of unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, a class C felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Law enforcement officials said Medenbach is currently on federal probation stemming from an earlier militia-related episode in southern Oregon. He was to be booked into the Deschutes County Jail in Bend with bail set at $10,000, officials said.

He is the first person arrested in connection with the armed occupation of the wildlife refuge, taken over two weeks ago.

He was arrested in the Safeway parking lot in one vehicle bearing federal government license plates. A second federal vehicle was parked next to him, but the man police suspect of driving that into town already had gone into the grocery before police arrived.

More: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/protester_arrested_in_burns_dr.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:17 pm
Harney County - Individual arrested in connection with stolen refuge vehicles

Source: Barney County Sheriff's Office

An individual is in custody in connection with stolen Malheur National Wildlife Refuge vehicles.

Shortly after noon on Friday, January 15, 2016, Oregon State Police arrested Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent, Oregon, at the Safeway in Burns, Oregon. He was arrested on probable cause for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.

Law enforcement officers recovered two vehicles stolen from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) had previously reported the vehicles stolen to the Harney County Sheriff's Office.

OSP troopers and deputies from several county Sheriff's offices responded to the scene.

"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is grateful for the quick actions from law enforcement," said USFWS spokesperson Megan Nagel. "We will continue to work with law enforcement to recover vehicles bought and paid for by the American people to care for their national wildlife refuge."

Read more: http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=5384


Looks like the militia that couldn't shoot straight does know how hot wire a ve-hi-cal.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:21 pm
Oregon militant opponents rip off tarp covering refuge sign

After fuming about the ongoing occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge for days, three men took a trip to the reserve. They spoke briefly with the protesters and checked up on the bird sanctuary they love.

As they drove along the long road out, they noticed a refuge sign covered by an occupiers' gray tarp.

One of the men – all members of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers' Oregon and Washington chapters -- filmed as another hopped the fence and ripped off the covering.

"It occurred to us that it would be a great protest against the occupation," said Ed Putnam of Bend who watched from the car.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/wildlife_enthusiasts_plan_prot.html#incart_maj-story-1
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