DNC vs Sanders. Is the DNC right to block Sander's access to DNC voter data?

@engineer,

Nothing funny about it. It shows that her hatred will make her go to any length to damage the Clinton campaign and tell any lie to protect Bernie.

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@maxdancona,

Prove this statement.

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@edgarblythe,

Somehow, I think the outrage against this particular type of security breach just dissipated.

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@Lash,

It is interesting, but no surprise to learn that the Clinton network of influence and cross connecting ties extends into the DNC. Unfortunately that appears to be a universal aspect of Clintoniasm. They and their friends profit from every thing they do in their public service and they also use it to fund and sustain a broad network of functionaires who are highly dependent on the continued success of the Clinton syndicate.

That the DNC might be more inclined to give Clinton a break in a close call is certainly no surprise to anyone. She is the "inevitable" candidate and to a large degree the Sanders campaign is merely a needed foil to create the illusion that there is a Democrat Primary which the annointed queen must win. That Senator Sanders has, despite that, created a stir of support and excitement for his program (tired and shopworn as it is) is a serious triubute to his personality and persuasive powers.

Did the Clinton connected IT company knowingly create openings for theft of the oppositions data by either of both camps? Did the Clinton Campaign itself get some Sanders data through the same opening the Sanders campaign exploited to get Clinton data? I certainly don't know. Given all the past and continuing sleeze attending the Clinton foundation and other newqorks,I can understand the Sanders concerns, but the fact is their folks were caught with their hand in the till.

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@edgarblythe,

She was wrong as well, what is the point? Bernie's staff still cheated. Why so hard to admit that?

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@RABEL222,

You don't know someone tried, you weren't there, and if you read up, you'd know there was no capturing going on.
I tend to get the guy that got fired, but I'm out of my league on all of this, as are you.

On me being pro Sanders, yes, more or less, not that I'd think his campaign to be sacrosanct. I'll call it relatively sacrosanct though.

I'm edging toward HC but not there yet, and not in such a way that dumps on Bernie.

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@revelette2,

I presume it is routine to follow that website line for candidates and their staffs.

You're calling them cheating for seeing something.

Whatever, we have a lamb out of work for the moment.

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@ossobuco,

A little more was involved than just seeing something or else no one would have been fired. The staffers noticed access to other candidates files was available and so they accessed the Clinton's files.

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It all happened Wednesday when the vendor who maintains the voter file for the DNC applied a “software patch.” As a result of that, every campaign could have accessed the data all the others were – a glitch. The Sanders camp noticed it and accessed the Clinton files. Then they (and another campaign) told the company, and within half an hour they shut it down.

source

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

According to the Snopes article I linked above, Hillary did the same thing to Obama.

And Obama staffers admit to doing the same thing to Hillary (they noticed they could query her data, ran some queries to see what they could see but ultimately this information has little value to them and that was that), but DNC didn't suspend anyone else who did this previously.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

I see. You agree with Lash that as long as it was a republican that stole information its O K?

No, I said nothing of the sort and this is a piss poor way to argue.

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But if it had been Hillary she should be guillotined? Your republican attitude is showing like Lashes.

Don't be silly, I am not a Republican and never have been. This is your partisanship getting the best of you.

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@revelette2,

Not a single person in this thread has not conceded that. Why is it so hard to argue against what people actually say versus straw men you might want to erect instead?

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@Robert Gentel,

Yes, sir. I merely was pointing out that the present situation is probably more the norm than not.

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@edgarblythe,

And I was agreeing with you, it turns out that other Democrat campaigns using this system have at times queries other campaign data when they noticed this vendor doesn't secure it and in those cases it did not result in a headline or access suspension. The data is just not that valuable (if they could change the rating it wold be more pernicious).

Here is the quote from an 08 Obama staffer in your snopes article:

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As an '08 Obama staffer who used the VAN extensively, it went down like this, "Oh, that's weird. It looks like we can pull lists from Hillary again. Hey Erin, do a quick search..." Then everyone in the office room (there were 4 total accounts who did a search) tried the search too.

Any data they pulled would not have been that useful, especially considering both campaigns use the VAN. They couldn't just turn around and re-enter the Clinton supporters as 5's, etc. That's not how it works ... The breach is a non-issue, however how it is being handled by the DNC (in addition to the way the debates, etc) is the telling issue about how undemocratic the Democratic National Party has become.

Here is another from the source your article cited:

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****, we had a similar bug when I was working (one group was supposed to have just issues and one candidate, the other had several candidates. Both groups had all of it) so it's not like this is an uncommon problem.

This has happened before without the DNC breaking their contract and suspending access.

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@engineer,

I agree that many "my candidate right or wrong" folks would behave that way but you do realize that the shoe WAS on the other foot in 08 and you didn't hear about it (or "howl about it" yourself) because the DNC did nothing about it and it didn't become a media storm. Here is the excerpt from the Sanders lawsuit:

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A similar security incident arose with the NGP VAN software during the 2008 national presidential primaries, resulting in the unintentional transmission of Confidential Information to the campaign of Democratic primary candidate Hillary Clinton (the "Prior Incident")... no action was taken in response to the Prior Incident in 2008, nor was any candidate's access to Voter Data suspended as a result of that Incident. [The DNC] has failed to exercise reasonable care and diligence in ensuring that the security breaches that occurred during the Prior Incident, under Defendant’s supervision, would not recur.

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The DNC favors Hillary Clinton.

Amazing that it would.

After all...she has a good shot at winning next November...while Bernie Sanders has almost no chance at all.

Why would that be important to the DNC?

C'mon, everyone. Let's get real here.

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@Frank Apisa,

That is a self-fulfilling prophecy and they should not be playing kingmakers, otherwise this process of voting a sham.

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

That is a self-fulfilling prophecy...

Not sure what you consider to be a self-fulfilling prophecy in what I wrote.

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... and they should not be playing kingmakers, otherwise this process of voting a sham.

Each of the parties WILL be playing kingmakers, Robert, and they can do it without the voting being a sham.

Even kingmakers take popular opinion into account.

My guess is the "kingmakes" of the Democratic Party want Hillary Clinton as the nominee precisely because they think she has the better chance of winning; i.e.; that she will draw the most votes from the people. Their "kingmaking" is the result of NOT taking the voting as a sham.

If they thought for a second that Bernie Sanders would be a better draw...Bernie Sanders is who they would be trying to make "king." But I think they realize this country is simply not ready to vote for a self-styled socialist...even if the majority agree with damn near everything the guy stands for.

MY GUESS: If the conservatives of this country were able to be "kingmakers" for the Democrats right now...they would anoint Bernie Sanders in a micro-second. They would much, much, MUCH rather be running against him than Hillary.

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@georgeob1,

"the Clinton syndicate"

Golly, I do like that choice of words. Studied, objective, fair-minded, baggage-unladen and a model of concision to boot. But also, this is good...

"anointed queen". Now, that particular adjective is certainly not one we'd find being wielded by, say, Rush Limbaugh. He's not so classy in usage. And the noun is a dilly in any circumstance.

Hi, george. I popped in to get some notion of what you're thinking, given these troubled times. I'm not sure how much the Bush campaign paid out for the PR/imaging consultancy which catapulted him into the polling stratosphere through that simple and brilliant exclamation mark but it doesn't matter. One can appreciate marketing genius quite regardless of any associated product.

And, of course, we now know the answer to a question that has long troubled conservative thinkers - "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?" Now they know. Wheat. (Palms to forehead. "So simple!")

Then, there's Donald, whose health, we should note, is astonishingly excellent. That's just a doctor's opinion, of course, but as Paul Waldman recently predicted, we will all soon see that astonishingly excellent physical vitality validated when the photo of Donald and Putin is released (that's the photograph where the two of them ride across the frozen tundra, bare-chested, on the backs of a pair of Siberian tigers.

Unlike Groucho, I suspect you might still be willing to join a club that would have you for a member. But, maybe events have changed your thinking. Hell, that happened to me. I love Donald Trump. Boy, do I ever.

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@blatham,

Jesus...throw an election...and you never know who will show up!

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@Robert Gentel,

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And Obama staffers admit to doing the same thing to Hillary (they noticed they could query her data, ran some queries to see what they could see but ultimately this information has little value to them and that was that), but DNC didn't suspend anyone else who did this previously

Got a link?

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