Black Lives Matter

Before, during, and after WWII, our parents never talked to us about discrimination. That's understandable, because we lived in that part of Sacramento where most of us were minorities, and very few caucasians. I guess we lived sheltered lives, except for that one time when a white man told me to return to my own country.

"The Talk is The Talk". Color shouldn't matter.

Of course they do as there are all manner of elements in the black community
trying to convict them that white police officers are all racists looking to gun them down therefore provoking conflict with the police.

[Heavy sigh]

Have a drink on me! LOL

That's a total load of bull pucky. First lets clean up the police forces that shoot first and questions later. Then we can start to deal with all crime, including the largest group of criminal shooters and dead: white people. Why is it white white males that look like you (with VERY FEW exceptions) committing all the mass murders in this country??? Much, much bigger source of shame than black on black murder.

My apologies.

Those thousands of young black men that are dying on our street every year is not the result of police shootings even if you assume that every use of deadly force by a white officer again a back man is not justify an assumption that is complete bullshit those numbers are small. Police shooting of black young men are not the reason that unlike all other groups the main cause for them not reaching middle age is homicide.

Yes I know you and others behind the BLM movement does not wish the killings of thousands of young black men to be stop either by other black men or the far lessor numbers by the police as for whatever sick reason you wish to use those deaths to drum up racial hate between whites and blacks.

No wuckers!

If we clean up the cops, they can clean up the crime. Horse before cart.

No the cops by themselves can not stop late teens to early 20 somethings from joining gangs and killing each other in gang warfares.

To do that the adults in the black communities would need to raised the next generation to care more for their children then being players and doing such things as marrying the mothers of their children and being better role models to their children.

Manhood would go back to being define as how well a man meet his obligations to his family and community not his standings in some criminal street gang.

It not the fault of the police when children can not walk to their school in safety due to the routes crossing difference gangs territories.

Gang violence is not exclusive to African American but Bill has a point and so does bobsal. It is not a issue of either/or, both issues needs to be urgently addressed. Every time someone brings up cop killings, someone else does not need to bring up gang violence (or shootings) to negate cop killings. Both are urgent matters and both can be equally addressed if people put their minds to it.

And no the answer is not just poverty as Sanders suggest although it might be an aspect to the issue of violence in inner cities such as Chicago.

Bill. I am just about done with you. I cannot deal with your complete inability to separate cop violence from what you describe as "black on black violence". I am also deeply troubled by your inability to even sense the racist background of how you even phrase your argument.

When the police screw up, we screw up. Maybe its your own culpability you feel shame for in your refusal to recognize the systematic failure of law enforcement. Its not local, it can't be tied to speci towns or areas: its in New York, Chicago, LA and almost everywhere else USA. The cops represent themselves and function in our name. They make me agry and don't don't even embarrass you. All you say is, "black on black" murder. No. A police system that encourages cops to shoot on impression and by profiling as least informally in their own minds. It invites mistakes and the mistakes are deadly and crippling.

You say "black on black murder" as if its explanation is implicit in the statement. How is that not racist. It refuses to acknowledge that there is no racial component to the black on black murder BS past the fact all gang violence comes from social disadvantage and the fact that all gangsters predate on their own kind most. Mafia kill a lot more Mafia than any other group. Street gangs fight with each other, they don't hang outside of music schools looking to rumble with polka bands.

I've had it and I'm beginning to think it'd be better I just ignore you for a while. It just blows my mind how you understand the nuance in the concerns of the gay community and blow it sooooo badly on the black community and the evidence a badly broken policing practices nation wide.

If you could just watch this somehow:

http://www.tv.com/shows/history-alive/street-gangs-a-secret-history-881961/

Poverty causes gang violence. Violence is an attempt to increase social status in a system with few options. Gangs predate on their own ethnic group and fight to hold territory. They kill each other.

Wasn't gang violence at a very high rate during the 90's when economic times were better for everyone?

There are some very poverty stricken poor folks in eastern KY, yet there are no gangs like there are in Chicago. So I am not sure poverty is the only cause although, I am sure it is a big cause of it.

poverty in Beattyville and many other Appalachian towns

Not at all, the nineties marked the beginning of a more than 30 years starting in the mid-eighties, of a continuing drop in crime. The nineties also marked the biggest jump of PoC into the middle class since the fifties. Then came Bush. Crime still dropped but the middle class lost more of everybody, especially PoC since the Depression.

Sorry but when there is a murder rate four or five times greater then for the rest of society I am not going to assume that the black population of young men are not also attacking the police to the same degree that they are attacking each other and that for the most part the police actions are justify.

When my grandmother was raising my mother in the 1930s homeless men would stop by and ask for food and to do any work that she needed done.

She and others did not even normally lock their doors and the crime rate was near zero so being homeless and lacking food less alone work is not enough to raised the crime rate in one part of PA in the 1930s.

So you are arguing that you and bobsal are both bots?

Bill is hung up on black on black violence. Even when all statistics show that white on white crimes are much greater. There's no cure for stupid.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/03/9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals/