Black Lives Matter

Kentucky is rife with gangs. Maybe not the same gangs as the ones in Chicago but they're super-active in Kentucky's very problematic drug trafficking.

I'm not bringing in a lot of links since I don't want to backlink to some of the sites but this article talks a bit about the problem

http://weku.fm/post/big-city-gangs-migrate-rural-kentucky#stream/0

from a Kentucky h.s. curriculum

http://louisville.edu/k-12/voting/curriculum.html/gangs.htm

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I see a fair bit about Kentucky gang activity through my alternate FB account.

this is the group I see

http://criminologyjust.blogspot.ca/2012/12/the-emergence-of-latin-kings-in-ky.html#.VvxVr_krLIU

LORD CAN YOU BE THAT STUPID??????

But 0nce more the leading cause of death for young black males is HOMICIDE repeat HOMICIDE repeat HOMICIDE not as it is for whites and all other groups that the CDC keep track of accidents and then for number two cause of death disease for young males of any other group in society.

For whites and for everyone else beside black males homicide does not show up higher then the number 3 position as the cause of deaths in their groups.

Lord if CI does not understand the facts now ..............l

It's not about ratios, it's about the TOTAL NUMBERS. As a citizen of this country, I fear whites more than I do blacks. Why? Because, they are in greater numbers. Logic 101.

Of the six million violent crimes in the US, over four million are committed by whites.
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

In simple math, that's two-thirds of all violent crimes.

Is that really that difficult for you to comprehend?

Yes there is no cure for stupid so I guess I am going to have to give up on you if you do not get the point now that yes indeed whites suffer far more crimes then blacks including homicides but there are 7 or so whites for every black in the US and the ratio of crime with special note of homicides is far greater for blacks then for whites.

Total numbers matter more then ratio to you so that it is meaningless and not of concern that a black young man is roughly 8 times more likely to end up being killed as a young man then a white young man is!!!!!!!!!!

You right there is no cure for stupid it would seems.

I'm fed up with him.

Bill suffers from myopia and brain damage. He can't comprehend facts. He's possessed with black on black crimes. Never mind white on white crimes.

It isn't about wVw or bVb crime rates or even the total of crimes committed. It's the BLM movement running around talking about black lives matter and being upset about the # of blacks killed by cops when the VAST majority of black murders happen at the hands of other blacks. There is no WLM movement protesting the deaths of whites, even though more whites than blacks are killed by cops.

The fact that blacks kill blacks is no excuse for cops to kill innocent blacks.

No one said it was.

I don't have access to that data baldy. Is pro rata? Can you cite a source?

No but it would be a damn good reason for the so all black lives matter people to address the main causes of young men black deaths.

Black lives matter only when a white officer is involved in some manner.

You could be right, it is just that I am not aware of any, nor do I know anyone in personal life who is. There are Mexican immigrants in our area, but they seem to be like everyone else, just trying to make a living.

My point is simply that Bernie Sanders answer to all racial disparity and injustice seems to be economical, when I think that perhaps it is more complex than that. I haven't looked at your links, but I am guessing like gangs elsewhere the gangs are divided up along racial lines even in rural areas. So perhaps, it is also a cultural thing as well. I know in songs and some pop and rap singers, they seem to glorify gangs. White supremacy groups are taught to hate, the cultural they live in are taught to hate from a very young age. There is probably a lot of peer pressure to belong to gangs of some type, just as there is in white supremacy groups. I am not too terribly learned in this area and mostly going by instinct, but my point is simply if even by some miracle those inner cities or places like eastern KY get an economic boost, (how I am not sure considering there is little job opportunities) the attitude which produces a gang will not disappear for white or black or anything in between.

There must be some of cultural thing going on with cops now in which cops feel free to shoot first and ask questions later and other cop abuses we have been hearing and reading about. Those issues will not resolved just by improving the lives of minorities. There must be a reform project of some sort and studies done to find out where the problem started and how to address them.

You wrote,

It is very complex. It has much to do with culture, environment, and I think, genes. Throw all three together in a salad bowl, and try to figure out which one has the most influence.

Which data would that be? The very same data that Bill, CI and Bob have been posting on this thread for the last several months? Have you not been following along?

If all police involved in a shooting of any kind had to go before a grand jury rather than let their superior decide innocence or guilt, they might be more judicious in their use of force. But as long as they know they get a by no matter what, nothing is going to change.

Yes an I wonder how many dead cops is that going to cost us as they wait too long to fire their weapons.

Or for that matter how many crimes and murders will not be stop by the police officers who rightfully are too worry about getting into a conflict with some criminal and then being charge after the fact by people who never needed to do split seconds life and death decisions.

You obviously haven't been reading this thread very well.

Donald Trump Wants To Remind White People That Gun Violence Is A Black Problem
Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON — Nailing down specifics about Donald Trump’s policies is exhausting. He makes things up, changes his mind and neglects details. One of the six issues he’s actually fleshed out on his campaign website concerns gun rights, where he says he will combat gun violence by bringing back measures like Project Exile, a 1990s-era state-federal partnership.

Trump doesn’t seem to realize that Project Exile never really ended — it still exists, and parts of it have expanded nationwide. His proposal doesn’t really make sense, but it does serve his purposes: It focuses on cities, where his overwhelmingly white base doesn’t live. It locks up “drug dealers and gang members,” not “law-abiding gun-owners.” It doesn’t address other routine forms of gun violence, like shootings by toddlers, family members, domestic abusers, countless legal gun owners, or mass shooters such as Dylann Roof and Elliot Rodger. And for people like Trump, it also makes a great racist dog-whistle. (The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.)

“Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control,” Trump warns in his online pitch for resurrecting the still-extant program, citing two of the American cities with the highest number of black residents. “Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street.“

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-gun-violence-black-problem_us_56fd7a72e4b0a06d58053e40


The CRUX of the story:

"The program created a partnership between state and federal law enforcement that pushed for certain firearms cases to be prosecuted in federal court, where defendants faced harsher prison sentences. The possibility of getting locked up without bail or the possibility of parole and being shipped to a federal prison far from home — or “exiled” — was supposed to convince people to put down their weapons. The initiative included a public information campaign warning Richmonders that “an illegal gun will get you five years in federal prison.”

“Based on the way those programs are implemented ... you are going to have a significantly higher number of minorities, specifically black and African-American minorities, negatively impacted,” said Robyn McDougle, an associate professor of criminal justice at Virginia Commonwealth University. But those communities were also more likely to be victimized by violent crime, she added, so focusing resources there made sense."

"Supporters celebrated Project Exile’s success. “Drug dealers, gangs and felons stopped carrying guns,” NRA chief Wayne Lapierre said in 2013, at a congressional hearing where he repeatedly touted the program. The NRA was a big backer of Project Exile in the ‘90s, and it remains one of the few gun enforcement measures that the group regularly supports."

"Trump claims the initiative was “tremendous” and plans to “bring back and expand” programs like it.