hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:09 pm
Quote:
Miski Noor, who is a Black Lives Matter organizer in Minneapolis, told the Times that groups of men had been showing up to the protests for several days and filming demonstrators. Citing Noor, the Times reported that organizers had responded to the perceived threat by forming a safety committee to “watch for potential agitators and escort them away as a preventive measure.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/11/black_lives_matter_activists_shot_in_minneapolis_what_next.html

So they have the right to disrupt the rest of the people in this country who are doing what they want to do, but we dont have the right to even film them in peace?

Does not work like that in public places.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 02:42 am
@BillRM,
Your memory is failing. I'm talking about what motivates people so we can stop it happening. You want to perpetuate the cycle.

Don't talk to me concern for feelings after you constantly show absolutely no concern for the victims of child abuse, but plenty for their rapists.

I don't remember you showing any concern for the victims of IS. In fact you've shown the exact opposite, roundly attacking the refugees fleeing persecution in the most disgusting way possible.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 05:38 am
@izzythepush,
You must be on drugs as I never gave any concern or sympathy for children rapists.

My so call sin is to agree with the majority of federal judges that the guideline for sentencing for the crime of having child porn not child rape is way to severe.

Agreeing in fact with your English law makers in regard to how that crime should be punish.

Beside the secondary issue of considering "children" who by law are old enough to consent to having sex having their lives being ruin by being charge with such a crime for sharing picture with their legal lovers.

To sum up if you have a problem with my position on this subject you also have a problem with the majority of federal judges and your own law makers.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 05:47 am
@BillRM,
That's all you've done. You described one nonce as a valuable member of society. I'm not on drugs, and your dementia clearly is accelerating, your garbled word salad is testament to that.

Your cretinous McCarthyite mudsling is an act of desperation. You ******* idiots created IS and you seem hell bent on repeating that mistake over and over again.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 05:52 am
@izzythepush,
Next I am all for protecting the refugees and all other victims and future victims of ISIS by using whatever force needed to wiped ISIS off the face of the earth instead of your sick wish to understand them and to allowing them to go on killings.

It is interesting to meet a supporter of ISIS such as yourself however who consider them not as murders who need to be wiped out but poor disenchanted young men.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 06:02 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry no one created ISIS but the sickness in the human hearts that allowed killings and other evilness in the name of a god such as slavery including young female sexual slavery.

If a branch of Christianity had gone off the rails to the same degree I would be all for wiping them off the earth also.

In any case there is no way of stopping therm other then wiping them out.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 06:26 am
@BillRM,
You are not for protecting them at all. You want to put up a big no entry sign because you're a coward, and an obvious one at that.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 06:36 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry no one created ISIS


That has to be one of your most moronic posts yet. They didn't just pop out of thin air like the Big Bang.

Prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq that was no Al Qaida/IS presence in Iraq. Bush's incompetence created that.

The word you're looking for is evil, not evilness, and it's a good word to describe the disappearance of Allende's supporters in Chili by American backed fascists, something you're very quiet about.

You embrace evil, racist murderers, child rapists, anti democratic multinationals in South America, bombing children with napalm in Vietnam, when it suits you. You just don't like it when you feel threatened. And it doesn't take much to make a coward like you feel threatened.

You should ask your carer to check your posts before you submit them.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 06:52 am
@izzythepush,
Sure the invasion of Iraq set up a power vacuum but saying that cause ISIS is like saying that leaving your keys in your car created a car theft and it not the poor man who drove off with your car but yourself who is at fault.

One good thing is all those killers had come out in the open unlike when Al Qaida was the only game in town so wiping them out will be far simpler then with Al Qaida.
djjd62
 
  2  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 06:55 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I don't care if every single other person in the world thinks something. I'm still going to form my own opinion.


oh ****, will the world end, oralloy and i agree on something
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 08:13 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sure the invasion of Iraq set up a power vacuum


What else caused it? There was no Islamist presence in Iraq prior to the invasion. You can't wipe out a guerrilla army with force alone. You're not going to stop Sunni villages siding with whoever gives them the best deal whether that be Is, Al Qaida, Al-Nusra Front, Khorasan Group, Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar, Jabhat Ansar al-Din, Harakat Fajr ash-Sham al-Islamiya, Harakat Sham al-Islam, Ghuraba al-Sham, Fatah al-Islam, Muhajirin wa-Ansar Alliance, Jund al-Aqsa, Liwaa al-Umma, Liwa al-Haqq, Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, Turkistan Islamic Party,Islamic Muthanna Movement, Imam Bukhari Jamaat or any of the lesser known Jihadi groups.

Or you could try giving the Sunnis an actual voice in government, which is the only solution that has any chance of working.

Al Qaida was never the only Jihadist game in town, and the fact that you believe it was, shows how badly informed you are.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 25 Nov, 2015 01:13 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
What else caused it? There was no Islamist presence in Iraq prior to the invasion. You can't wipe out a guerrilla army with force alone.


Their big claimed to frame and support is that they are setting up a caliphate by seizing cities and holding them.

Any first world army would tear then apart in short order if they would be so stupid as to try to hold such territories in the face of a first world army and once they will need to go on the run and into hiding they had just lost their draw of being the caliphate that Muslims should join.

A side benefit is after seizing the oil fields that they are getting millions of dollars a day of funding from that source of funding will be no more for them.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 02:13 am
@BillRM,
You really don't understand this at all. IS claimed responsibility for an attack in Tunisia yesterday, IS downed a Russian passenger jet in Egypt and the group behind the Mali hotel bombing are currently considering whether to join IS or AQ.

Using IS as a pretext for going into Syria and stealing the nation's oil like you did in Iraq will not fool anyone. Especially if you use your usual heavy handed approach and we see even more images of dead women and children while the terrorists regroup elsewhere.

Add the fact that Syria is prophesised as the battleground for the final confrontation between the "Romans" and "the best people in the World," and you give a sense of urgency to any disaffected young man wanting to be someone.
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 06:10 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry but **** the oil the only concern about the oil is to keep the funding out of the hands of ISIS.

As far as those poor disaffected young men we need to start and keep killings them in large enough numbers that even they in the end well get the idea that attacking the west is not a good idea

We sure the hell can not allowed them to set up a nation state.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 07:03 am
@BillRM,
The oil is the only thing you're interested in, just like Iraq. The more people you kill the more the narrative about Armageddon will take hold, and that will be catastrophic. If you want to keep IS out of Syria you need to accommodate the Sunni Moslem majority, until that is done any effect will be temporary at best.
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 07:43 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The more people you kill the more the narrative about Armageddon will take hold, and that will be catastrophic.


NONSENSE ...............you killed such people plain and simple and they already believes god is telling them to killed non-Muslims and even Muslims who do not support them or who are members of the 'wrong' branch of the faith.

Declaring such Muslims as not being true Muslims.

In any case they are mad dogs that once more need to be hunted down and killed for the safety of everyone including the vast majority of Muslims.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 08:56 am
@BillRM,
Repeating the mistake you made in Iraq will make things ten times worse. You don't understand any of it, especially the bit about Armageddon.

Quote:
Dabiq (Arabic: دابق‎) is a town in northern Syria, about 40 km northeast of Aleppo, and around 10 km (six miles) south of Syria's border with Turkey. It is administratively part of the Akhtarin nahiyah (subdistrict) of the A'zaz District of Aleppo Governorate. Nearby localities include Mare' to the southwest, Sawran to the northwest, and Akhtarin town to the southeast. According to the Syria Central Bureau of Statistics, Dabiq had a population of 3,364 in the 2004 census.

The town was the site of the battle of Marj Dabiq in 1516, in which the Ottoman Empire decisively defeated the Mamluk Sultanate.

In Islamic eschatology, it is believed that Dabiq is one of two possible locations for an epic battle between invading Christians and the defending Muslims which will result in a Muslim victory and mark the beginning of the end of the world. The Islamic State believes Dabiq is where an epic and decisive battle will take place with Christian forces of the West, and have named their magazine after the village.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabiq
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 09:05 am
@izzythepush,
My friend you can not control the fantasies such as the concept of Armageddon that people get into their silly minds, however those fantasies does not mean we should not and need not take the steps needed to stop religion assholes from killing our men and women and children.

In any case most people live in the real world at least to the point that when their lives are on the line fantasies have far less impart on their actions and for those that does not apply killing them will deal with the problem.

Oh footnote when they are spending all their efforts in running and hiding it is hard to plan and support killers on out soil but to allowed them to openly control territories and the resources of those territories is insane.
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 09:20 am
@izzythepush,
We need boots on the damn ground but at least this is in the right direction.


Quote:
London (CNN)British Prime Minister David Cameron has become the latest world leader to call for an escalation in the fight against ISIS, as French President Francois Hollande continues a whirlwind week of diplomacy to build an international coalition against the terror group.

Cameron, who met with the French leader in Paris Monday, made the case in the British Parliament on Thursday for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, arguing that an expansion of military action is needed to counter "the very direct threat that (ISIS) poses to our country and our way of life."

Britain needs "to take action now, to help protect us against the terrorism seen on the streets of Paris and elsewhere," Cameron argued.

His speech is expected to pave the way for a parliamentary vote next week on whether, in the wake of the Paris terror attacks, to expand Britain's military efforts against the Islamist militants.

War on ISIS: Who's doing what?
War on ISIS: Who's doing what?
The UK has been conducting strikes against ISIS on the Iraqi side of its so-called caliphate, but so far has not extended its action to the group's stronghold in Syria.

READ MORE: Who's who in
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 26 Nov, 2015 10:35 am
@BillRM,
Whether or you believe in Armageddon or not is moot, the fact is millions do, (not just Moslems either.) What's important is whether or not the belief that this particular war is the beginning of Armageddon remains confined to a tiny number of Jihadis or spreads to mainstream thinking.

You're peddling failed, discredited ideas that failed last time. Unless the Vienna talks can come up with a settlement that involves all groups any troops will be going in blind. It won't be long before resentment builds up by non IS supporters and then you're all bogged down in an unwinnable war while the IS soldiers declare a caliphate in Libya.
 

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