bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:48 am
@BillRM,
The threat is implicit. If I threaten to kill you does it matter if I leave the method to your imagination?
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:53 am
@bobsal u1553115,
So giving a threat free flyer out is a threat to killed you in some way or other?

Sorry but anyone who claimed such an action is a death threat is reaching for the moon.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:59 am
@BillRM,
We'll find out an in a court. Do you know anything else about this nitwit? That he's been jailed before?

Didn't think so.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 07:25 am

Another Racist Threatens to Massacre Black Students, This Time in Michigan
The unidentified suspect was taken into custody Thursday night.

By Adam Johnson / AlterNet
November 13, 2015

http://www.alternet.org/another-racist-threatens-massacre-black-students-time-michigan

For the fourth time in the past week, after three separate incidents at the University of Missouri, someone has been arrested on a college campus for threatening to kill black people on the popular chat app, Yik Yak. This time, the threat occurred at Michigan Technological University in Houghton, MI, a small community near Lake Superior.

The suspect, who remains unidentified, was taken into custody Thursday night by the University's Department of Public Safety and Police services after they spotted a post on Yik Yak that read, "Going to kill all black people."
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“It’s important to remember that we are a community and will not tolerate threats to any member of our family,” Michigan Tech president Glenn D. Mroz said in a statement, according to the Detroit News. “It’s time we watch out for one another.”

School officials were quick to offer counseling at the Center for Diversity and Inclusion to anyone who needed it.

According to WZZM, Yik Yak has pledged to help investigators find the sources of these threats. It's unclear who actually spotted the threat first, a student or authorities.

Yik Yak is extremely popular on college campuses due to its geo-specific criteria (only people on the campus can post and respond) and its anonymity. But, as authorities and Yik Yak continue to point out, just because it's anonymous to others doesn't make it anonymous to those seeking to investigate criminal threats. Racists have evidently not gotten this message.

h/t Raw Story


Adam Johnson is an associate editor at AlterNet. Follow him on Twitter at @adamjohnsonnyc.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 07:26 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I wondered where Oralboy had been of late.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 08:27 am
@izzythepush,
Lets not raise his bail. Or find him a good lawyer.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 08:29 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Do you know anything else about this nitwit? That he's been jailed before?


An being in jail or not would turn a non-threatening flyer into a death threat or take away his first amendment rights??????
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 08:31 am
@BillRM,
His illegal actions got his freedom taken away. Don't you read, TonyRM?
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 08:42 am
@bobsal u1553115,
My my how stupid can someone be using Yik Yak after all the other arrests by fools using that or similar means to transmit threats and it will be interesting to see if the court would consider a threat to killed all blacks a creditable or true threat.

BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 08:44 am
@bobsal u1553115,
How once more does any illegal actions in the past take away someone first amendment rights?

I must had miss that part of the first amendment text or court rulings for that matter.

Please link to any legal ruling by any court that take away first amendment rights from people who in the past had been convicted of some crime.

With special note of someone handing out non-threatening flyers.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:02 am
@BillRM,
Quote:


http://www.firstamendmentschools.org/freedoms/faq.aspx?id=12996

How do courts determine whether speech is a true threat?
The Supreme Court has ruled that true threats receive no First Amendment protection.1 Unfortunately, the Court has not clearly defined a test for determining what types of speech constitute a true threat.2 As a result, the lower courts have adopted a variety of tests to determine whether speech constitutes a true threat.

Some courts have determined that "if a reasonable person would foresee that an objective rational recipient of the statement would interpret its language to constitute a serious expression . . . [then] the message conveys a 'true threat.'"3

Other courts consider a series of factors in determining whether speech constitutes a true threat, including (1) the reaction of the recipient of the speech; (2) whether the threat was conditional; (3) whether the speaker communicated the speech directly to the recipient; (4) whether the speaker had made similar statements in the past; and (5) whether the recipient had reason to believe the speaker could engage in violence.4

The Louisiana Supreme Court, for example, ruled that a student could face criminal charges for saying that it would be easy to shoot students he didn't like and that he was going to blow up the school.5 The state high court noted that the student made the comments only five days after the Columbine tragedy, and emphasized "the climate of fear already surrounding the school."6

However, a California appeals court recently ruled that a student could not be criminally charged under an antithreat law for turning in a painting depicting extreme violence against a peace officer who, a month earlier, had cited the student for drug possession.7

The state appeals court noted that "a painting -- even a graphically violent painting -- is necessarily ambiguous."8 The appeals court also noted that the student never showed the painting to the peace officer, but simply turned in the painting as a class project.

Many cases regarding true threats made by students are just now circulating through the state and federal courts. Consequently, school officials are advised to seek legal counsel in this evolving area of the law.

Notes
1 Watts v. U.S., 394 U.S. 705 (1969).

2 Rothman, J. E. (2001). Freedom of Speech and True Threats. Harv. J. L. & P.P., 25, 283, 288 ("Even though the Supreme Court has made clear that true threats are punishable, it has not clearly defined what speech constitutes a true threat.").

3 U.S. v. Miller, 115 F.3d 361 (6th Cir. 1997), cert. denied, 522 U.S. 883 (1997).

4 See Jones v. State of Arkansas, 64 S.W.3d 728, 735 (Ark. 2002) (determining that a student giving his rap song threatening violence to another student was a true threat).

5 State ex rel. R.T., 781 So.2d 1239 (La. 2001).

6 Id. at 1247.

7 In re Ryan D., Case No. C035092, 2002 Cal. App. LEXIS 4453 (Cal. App. 3rd Dist., July 30, 2002).

8 Id. at *16.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:06 am
@BillRM,
His being stupid adds icing to the cake, TonyRM.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:29 am
Quote:


http://www.firstamendmentschools.org/freedoms/faq.aspx?id=12996

For instance, what about statements that allegedly threaten unspecified members of a vast group of people — such as police officers generally, or abortion providers, or capitalists, or Jews or blacks or gays or any other large group? (Recall that, in this very case, “I’ve got enough explosives to take care of the State Police and the Sheriff’s Department” was one of the statements that was found to be threatening.) Those are not uncommon in talk about public issues, and I think that they are probably not specific enough to be punishable threats — though query whether in this case there were some contextual reasons to think that Elonis was referring to a particular state police or sheriff’s department building, and whether that should matter. But in any event the Supreme Court’s decision doesn’t opine on the subject.

8. Now it might be that the Court had to leave a good deal unresolved here. Perhaps the Justices couldn’t settle on a majority opinion on the recklessness vs. knowledge question, or on the First Amendment issue, which might explain why such a narrow opinion took six months to release. And there are arguments in favor of the Court deciding as little as possible in most cases, especially constitutional cases. But in any event, it appears that this is an unusually narrow decision.

Congratulations to our coblogger John Elwood, who represented Elonis before the Supreme Court, on winning the case; and please see Orin’s post for more thoughts on the matter.




BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:31 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
His being stupid adds icing to the cake, TonyRM.


It also reduce the likelihood that he was issuing a true threat to every blacks on the planet.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:53 am
@bobsal u1553115,
We could scream for the death penalty. I don't believe in it, but what the heck.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:54 am
@BillRM,
You ding bat, while your website seems pretty darn good, you still don't have a clue about the difference protected and unprotected speech and a total incomprehension of what "free speech" is or what it means to be protected by the First Amendment.

Your website looks to be sure schools understand what free speech is and how it relates to the press, and not as you think: condoning unprotected speech in the form of racist threats. You really do need to seriously go through the web site, they back up every darn thing I've told you about "free speech" "protected speech" and "unprotected speech".

I love our Bill of Rights, why don't you? Unfettered unprotected speech threatens other rights in "the pursuit of happiness", the right to live without fear, equal access, etc.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 09:56 am
@izzythepush,
This one little exception could just help prove the rule.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 12:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
I love our Bill of Rights, why don't you?


Sorry but no one who love the bill of rights would be so very eager to disregard it for people you do not like.

A good example of those who love the bill or rights are the Jewish ACLU lawyers who defend the rights of the American Nazis party.

Now even KKK members have a right to pass out non-threatening flyers promoting the KKK and the idea of arresting someone for some stupid comment that he will kill every black person on the planet is beyond silly.

Both cases will be thrown out in short order.

No one should be arrested only as a mean of police and government harassment of people they do not like with special note of when that harassment interfere with constitutional rights.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 01:03 pm
In order for all of us can enjoy constitutions rights and to keep those rights from becoming dead letters whenever those rights are challenge we all must defend them even when it involved people and groups we do not care for.

Allowing the rights to not be enforced for the black panthers or the KKK or BLM is opening the gates for those rights to be taken away from all of us.


Quote:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/04/30/first_amendment_rights_at_stake_in_wis_political_speech_case_126439.html


On the night of October 18, 2007, Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio ordered his Special Enforcement Unit to arrest Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin, the owners of The Phoenix New Times, a small, freely distributed newspaper that had published Arpaio’s home address as part of a story about his commercial real estate holdings. The nominal crime was the violation of an obscure state statute that criminalized the publishing of personal information about a police officer if there was “an imminent threat” against that officer.

This was a ruse; Sheriff Arpaio’s address was publicly available from numerous other outlets and Arpaio -- once dubbed the toughest sheriff in America -- had no evidence he was threatened. The real reason for the arrest, one that further court proceedings confirmed, was that the paper had published numerous articles over two years critical of Arpaio and his supporters in the county attorney’s office.

Thankfully in this case, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals allowed the victims to sue. The right to speak freely without fear of retaliation by prosecutors won the day and Maricopa County was forced to pay a $3.75 million settlement for the abuses.

But not all courts have been willing to stand up to those in power who use their position in the government to intimidate and silence.

Unhappy with Gov. Scott Walker’s political and policy victories in 2010, Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm launched an investigation of nearly every conservative organization that supported Walker’s reforms. The extraordinarily broad “John Doe” investigation, complete with pre-dawn armed police raids and gag orders preventing the targets from speaking publicly about the case, was purportedly meant to find violations of campaign finance statutes -- theoretical coordination between these organizations, created to voice their political beliefs, and Governor Walker’s campaign. Not a single judge has agreed with any of these theories. In fact, the state’s attorney general and election-law regulator both repudiated them.

As in Arizona, this premise was little more than a ploy. Chisholm, according to a fellow prosecutor, “felt it was his personal duty to stop Walker,” and any means were apparently justifiable to reach these ends. This included investigations on the thinnest of pretexts meant to intimidate groups and individuals from speaking out, along with attacks on those that did in order to send a message to all groups that free speech was no longer protected in Wisconsin. Even if an investigation was justified, there is no justification for such heavy-handed and dangerous methods.

Unless the Supreme Court takes their case, known as O’Keefe v. Chisholm, the victims of these bullying tactics, and others in the future, will never get their day in court.

In the meantime, we should all decry these brutish governmental attacks on critics, which pose an enormous threat to First Amendment rights. Journalists, in particular, should rally behind these conservative speakers in Wisconsin -- at its core, this case is about the First Amendment -- and as the case in Arizona shows, when government officials are prepared to violate that most sacred constitutional protection, no one, whether part of the press or not, is immune.

We should all speak out now, before the police begin pounding on the door at 3 a.m.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 15 Nov, 2015 01:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry but no one who love the bill of rights would be so very eager to disregard it for people you do not like.

A good example of those who love the bill or rights are the Jewish ACLU lawyers who defend the rights of the American Nazis party.

No one should be arrested only as a mean of police and government harassment of people they do not like with special note of when that harassment interfere with constitutional rights.


You are spot on here Bill.

Clearly, bobsal doesn't have the principles demonstrated by the ACLU.

For bobsal and so many other progressives the end always justifies the means.





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