@bobsal u1553115,
Fighting words are very very narrow one on one as in a bar situation not to a public speaker as it is the job of law enforcement not to allow a mob or one person for that matter to interfere with the freedom of speech.
Nazis wished to march through a town of death camp survivors the courts had found that they have a right to do so and it is the job of local government to keep the peace.
@hawkeye10,
Quote:The University of Missouri football couch just quit
Maybe the football players should look into setting up a Commune like the French did in Paris in 1871 to run their football program themselves.
It is for the best perhaps that it is unlikely that anyone on the football team know any history.
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye have you taken notice how rare it is for a football player to be a real scholar athlete taking on a real major instead of a person who would not had gotten near a top level university without great athlete talents?
The exceptions to that are so rare that I can remember the pre-game announcers making big deals of the few who are in science or engineering or other such majors and many time to added to that they are walked on instead of scholarship students.
@Baldimo,
I'm just getting back on topic.
Niether you nor TonyRM understand the First Amendment.
@Baldimo,
I'm just getting back on topic.
Neither you nor TonyRM understand the First Amendment.
New Research Shows Schools With More Black Students (Not More Crime) Get More Cops
Overpolicing of the black community occurs in schools, too.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet
November 12, 2015
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Two professors, Tim Servoss, professor of psychology at Canisius College in New York, and education professor Jeremy Finn at the State University of New York at Buffalo, have performed research they plan to present in full in spring showing that the prevalence of police in schools correlates to the number of black students in those schools.
Their research, previewed to Talking Points Memo, looks at the presence of school-based security, often referred to as school resource officers (SROs). In their study, they controlled for the presence of neighborhood crime and school misconduct and still found that the presence of African American children is the major factory in a school's decision to deploy SROs.
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“To the extent that police in schools may contribute to the disproportionate arrest of African-American students, the use and/or role of police in schools should require careful reexamination,” says the overview provided to TPM.
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They also found disparities between the arrests that occurred within the schools with SROs. “In the average school without police, the black-white disparity in arrests was negligible,” but in schools that had police, black students were 2.2 times more likely to be arrested than white students.
“These results suggest that the implementation of security measures are at least partially based on the perceived threat of the African-American student population rather than any objective dangers within (crime or misconduct), or in the neighborhood (neighborhood crime) surrounding the school,” they conclude.
Zaid Jilani is an AlterNet staff writer. Follow @zaidjilani on Twitter.
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:Two professors, Tim Servoss, professor of psychology at Canisius College in New York, and education professor Jeremy Finn at the State University of New York at Buffalo, have performed research they plan to present in full in spring showing that the prevalence of police in schools correlates to the number of black students in those schools.
Their research, previewed to Talking Points Memo, looks at the presence of school-based security, often referred to as school resource officers (SROs). In their study, they controlled for the presence of neighborhood crime and school misconduct and still found that the presence of African American children is the major factory in a school's decision to deploy SROs.
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How PC but this study had not been released and peer review as yet just to start with and given the mainly
black gang problems in schools systems such as in Chicago where it is risking the lives of school children to shut down schools and have them walk to new schools through "foreign" gangs territories the likelihood of such a study to be valid on it face is near zero.
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http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172593743/chicago-kids-say-theyre-assigned-to-gangs
Last school year, 29 current and recent students at Harper High School in Chicago were shot. Eight of them died. The public radio show This American Life sent reporters to the school for a full semester, to find out more about living in what's being called a war zone. Tell Me More host Michel Martin finds out what they learned.
Quote:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/chicagoland-safe-passage/
Anxiety simmered in the days before Chicago's school year began. Everyone there knew about the city's intractable gang problems, the explosive violence that came with it -- and the dangerous, shifting territories schoolchildren might cross even more often just to get to school.
Chicago Public Schools had just gone through the largest school consolidation in U.S. history -- 55 schools absorbed students from 49 that closed. Before the first day of classes in August, Chicago schools invested $155 million in some that remained open: new science labs, computers, libraries, air conditioning and art rooms meant to encourage parents to keep their children enrolled. To assuage fears about the journey to school, $8 million was spent to hire 600 additional workers for Safe Passage, a program that stations the watchful eyes of adults along popular walking routes to schools.
"The city of Chicago is on watch for the children of Chicago," Mayor Rahm Emanuel bellowed to a roomful of Safe Passage workers in glowing yellow vests before the school year began.
Still, critics of the school closings zeroed in on Safe Passage, arguing that hundreds of newly hired workers couldn't offer the protection their children needed, and that it wouldn't be necessary if students could attend schools closer to home.
Now closing in on the last months of of the school year, Chicago schools and the Chicago police say there have been "no major incidents" involving students on Safe Passage routes near their new schools during operating hours.
"In the few instances where an issue arose, police say the response time by officers was immediate, often times leading to arrest, because they were staffing the route along with other city workers," a March report from Chicago Public Schools said.
About half of students from schools that closed or consolidated in 2013 have improved attendance this school year, too, the report said.
Still, there are fights along the routes and shootings nearby. In December, a 15-year-old girl walking to her high school on the city's northwest side was hit in the head, dragged between two houses and raped about a half-block away from a Safe Passage route. The incident occurred around 6 a.m., before Safe Passage workers were on duty.
The rape deepened skepticism among those critical of the school closings and Safe Passage, community members said. For those running Safe Passage routes, it strengthened resolve.
"We are speaking with schools and families throughout the year. We've stayed in touch," said Jadine Chou, security director for Chicago Public Schools. "We're trying to adapt as best as possible to situations as they come up."
So rather than using logic or facts to dispute the study, you make a knee-jerk rejection based on nothing you know on the researchers. You want to impeach the research, present some facts about them their unreliability.
Otherwise its just another asshat dismissal of inconvenient truth.
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:So rather than using logic or facts to dispute the study,
Ganges membership nine to ten percent whites, 35 to 40 percent blacks and high 40 percents Latins.
Leading cause of deaths of whites young males by CDC, by ranking accidents, diseases, homicides, ranking of causes of deaths for young black males number one homicides and that is mainly cause by other young black males not the police or KKK members.
Plenty of facts to question such a study.
@BillRM,
Now apply numbers to those %. And put some documentation to it. I won't even ask you read my study which actually lists my researcher's bonafides.
@bobsal u1553115,
What the hell are you talking about as blacks are roughly ten percents of the total population and 35 percent of all gang members, whites are over 50 percents of the total population and ten percents of the total gang membership.
Then we have the CDC numbers of them by far leading the homicide rate per 100,000.
Both are damn good solid reasoning to question some claims make by as yet unreleased study.
When and if this so called study is released please feel free to post links to it but until then it on it face is complete nonsense.
@bobsal u1553115,
This is clearly prosecutorial overreach. This guy could get four years in prison for giving two people a KKK flier that didn't have a message of violence?
It's tough to feel sorry for any member of an organization like the KKK, but this is ridiculous. There must be an election coming up in this town.
@bobsal u1553115,
Whatever happened with our bet? Now that you were proven wrong I guess you're going to claim you never accepted the terms.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:This is clearly prosecutorial overreach. This guy could get four years in prison for giving two people a KKK flier that didn't have a message of violence?
It should be thrown out by a judge or very quietly drop by the prosecutor after he had enjoyed his headlines.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Someone thinks handing recruitment papers to two people unable to join the organization constitutes some sort of threat. I'm inclined to agree. The Klan's reputation precedes it and everybody including you knows what it is.
@Finn dAbuzz,
The terms were dumb. Prove me wrong: I say I won.
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:Someone thinks handing recruitment papers to two people unable to join the organization constitutes some sort of threat. I'm inclined to agree. The Klan's reputation precedes it and everybody including you knows what it is.
Sure it does even if we do not know what kind of threat it might be.
@bobsal u1553115,
Their reputation is immaterial to this case.
It's absurd to think that delivering fliers, devoid of threatening language, to anyone amounts to a threat.
Not surprising though that you are all gung ho about trampling the first amendment when it suits your political thinking.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Another sore loser unable to prove his point.
