BillRM
 
  -3  
Wed 11 Nov, 2015 08:15 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Strange as no one have problems with the arrest of anyone who made serous threats of harm but not banning hurting the feelings of some protected groups as these speech codes called for at many universities.

Hate full and hurtful speech is indeed protected speech by the courts and the first amendment to the constitution and only when it go as far as threatening immediate and creditable harm to someone does that protection end.

When ever one of those conduct/speech codes at public universities had ended up in courts they had been thrown out.

The police at MU wish to hear about not only threats that are not cover by constitutional protections and therefore criminal but speech that just is ban by the code of conduct of the MU and is not a criminal matter.

A code of conduct that there is little question if anyone spend the $$$ to take to court would be found unconstitutional and in any case not a criminal matter that any police department should be looking into.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 02:09 am
@hawkeye10,
Change the subject, like you always do when you've lost the argument. Why won't you defend your analogy, or accept it was ill thought out?

Trees was far too wide a grouping to compare with homo sapiens, but even adopting your abysmal analogy we can see that Weymouth Pines actually get on quite harmoniously with other trees. It's actually known as the tree of peace.

Quite often you end up demonstrating/supporting the exact opposite of what you're saying.

You do it all the time.

This is how people know you're stupid.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 02:18 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Change the subject, like you always do when you've lost the argument.


I talk about a lot of things, and I have been winning more than I am losing.

Quote:
Trees was far too wide a grouping to compare with homo sapiens, but even adopting your abysmal analogy we can see that Weymouth Pines actually get on quite harmoniously with other trees. It's actually known as the tree of peace.
Shocking that you proved not smart enough to comprehend my point. See you over on the Fox thread, you can tell me what you think is wrong with Murdoch's argument for what he has done to journalism. With all the crappola you fling around here it is time for you to pay back with some quality content. I have a feeling that this Murdoch thing is a thing for you. You might have a valuable thought on this, and if so I would like to hear it.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 02:33 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
I talk about a lot of things, and I have been winning more than I am losing.


You're delusional. You've never won an argument. You run away every time you lose, stick your head in the sand then convince yourself you weren't wrong.

The point you were trying to make is completely obscured by your analogy, which suggests the opposite.

This is why people know you're stupid

You're looking stupid on the Murdoch thread too.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 07:25 am

Missouri Activists vs. the Press: This Is What Happens When Black Students Can’t Trust the Media

It's more complex than casting journalists as victims of unreasonable campus protesters.

By Paula Young Lee / Salon
November 11, 2015

http://www.alternet.org/activism/missouri-activists-vs-press-what-happens-when-black-students-cant-trust-media

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/missouri-journalist-protesters.jpg
Photo Credit: The Guardian (screengrab)

Following the stunning resignations of president Tim Wolfe and chancellor R. Bowen Loftin in the wake of Black student activism at the University of Missouri-Columbia, a secondary news story is developing at the school. It is a meta-narrative about the way news gets made, who controls the telling, and how stories get framed. It is a bit about the First Amendment–and perhaps academic freedom too, insofar as activist faculty are involved. But it mostly is a story about distrust. About Black distrust of the White gaze, and an utter lack of faith in the capacity of a White press to tell Black stories with honesty.

The centerpiece of this new story at Missouri is a student of photojournalism, Tim Tai, 20. On assignment from ESPN to photograph historic events on campus, he turned his camera on an encampment that protesters had pitched on the university quad. For about a week, protesters had been camping out there to “protest and strategize,” anonymous sources tell me. “But, until yesterday, the media had rarely showed up to interview the students.”

All that changed with remarkable speed. After ignoring this story for months, hundreds of members of the press were suddenly everywhere on campus. “As the the president’s resignation announcement was unfolding,” my sources relate, “the protesters decided to convene in their camp to discuss their strategy. But the journalists, of course, wanted to get an exclusive of the students’ reactions to the president’s resignation. As a consequence, the protesters–with the collaboration of other students, locals, and even faculty–decided to momentarily block the journalists’ access to the camp. In the heat of the moment, there may have been some pushback but, after the protesters convened, they invited the public, including the media, to a big party.”

But it is Tai’s confrontation with protesters that is making the news. And this focus itself requires examination. For by focusing on a young Asian man–a member of the so-called “model minority” on a big assignment–going head to head with Black protesters living in a “makeshift tent city,” the coverage is already playing off racist stereotypes. But who is filming the confrontation? From whose perspective are these events being recorded? The videographer is a young journalist named Mark Schierbecker. Ostensibly viewed through a “neutral” mechanical eye recording things-as-they-occur, the limits of the camera’s frame are nonetheless shaping what we see in a very particular way. It is framing it through the reflexive lens of whiteness.

As a reporter for KBIA (Mid-Missouri pubic radio) commented ruefully: “The demonstrator telling the photographer to back up is a black man. Other demonstrators nearby are white, black, men, women. The photographer appears to be Asian, though I didn’t ask anyone how they identified. But, like me, most of the reporters there were white men.” And this white maleness matters, Bram Sable-Smith concluded. For there is no way to avoid talking about race — “not in a story about a demonstration against systematic oppression.”

And yet hardly anyone is talking about race–specifically, the nearly monolithic whiteness of the media descending on the protesters’ encampment. But you wouldn’t know that from watching that video. Instead, it’s focused on an Asian photographer trying doggedly to take photos by invoking his First Amendment rights to be in a public space, as Black student protesters and White women do their best to get rid of him. Tai is now doing his best to turn the spotlight back where it belongs: on the systemic problems on the Missouri campus that have led to historic events still unfolding. “I’m a little perturbed at being part of the story,” he tweeted. “So maybe let’s focus some more reporting on systemic racism in higher ed institutions.”

This “unbearable whiteness of liberal media” is precisely why the Black student protesters asked journalists to please “respect” them as well as their space by leaving them alone, at least long enough to collect their thoughts. When Sable-Smith repeatedly asked for a statement, the students replied, again and again, joyfully: “To God be the Glory.” He did not understand that response.

Journalist Tracie Powell runs the website All Digitocracy.org, which works to support journalists of color while raising awareness of structural racism in the media. Powell is concerned about the treatment of Tai, the student photographer, but her gut instinct was that the refusal of the protesters to admit the press was, more accurately, their refusal to feed the biases of White journalism. “For me, the overwhelming impression was that they didn’t trust the White reporters suddenly trying to cover the story.” In conversation with me, she noted that these reporters had already shown themselves to be ranging from indifferent to outright hostile to the concerns outlined by Black students on campus, and “parachute journalism”–jumping in to a big story and then leaving–would give activists no reason to trust them. Her instincts are confirmed from various tweets from student protesters on campus, including one from #ConcernedStudent1950: “It’s typically white media who don’t understand the importance of respecting black spaces.”

It’s not that Tai didn’t find his First Amendment rights being challenged. He did. Protesters also put signs declaring “No Media/ Safe Space” zones, and refused to speak to the press. But these are not the nut of the story. The story is about the way local television news and other media outlets questioned and undermined the protesters’ reactions by turning the press itself into the victim. As one of my sources observed: “This is just a poor and dishonest attempt of portraying what was actually a huge victory in the name of justice. Unfortunately, this has been a frequently used tactic to discredit the efforts of those fighting against racism and other forms of oppression.”

Meanwhile, a new sign has appeared on campus, identifying itself as being from #ConcernedStudent1950: “Media has a 1st Amendment right to occupy campsite, 2) the media is important to tell our story and experiences at Mizzou to the world. 3) Let’s welcome and thank them.”



Paula Young Lee is the author of several books, including Deer Hunting in Paris: A Memoir of God, Guns, and Game Meat. She is the winner of the 2014 Lowell Thomas Travel Book Award of the Society of American Travel Writers.


izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 07:32 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Your article reminded me of an advert for The Guardian back in the 80s.

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BillRM
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 08:23 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
This “unbearable whiteness of liberal media” is precisely why the Black student protesters asked journalists to please “respect” them as well as their space by leaving them alone, at least long enough to collect their thoughts. When Sable-Smith repeatedly asked for a statement, the students replied, again and again, joyfully: “To God be the Glory.” He did not understand that response.


Sorry but it is not their space it is open space on land that belonging to the public and therefore they had zero rights to block anyone from using it even if they are so damn racist that the color of the skin of the reporters are of concern to them.
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hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 08:42 am
Does anyone besides me figure that right about now university administrators all over are having second thoughts about their long running practice of admitting unqualified blacks in order to get the "right" color scheme in the student body?
izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 08:49 am
@hawkeye10,
I'm sure there's plenty of other racists out there who would agree with you, and approve of the way you've misrepresented the situation.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 08:53 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I'm sure there's plenty of other racists out there who would agree with you, and approve of the way you've misrepresented the situation.


Jesus you are a lazy poster. What is the right way? You sound like an American Republican No! No! No! but with no alternative.

I want A2K to get better. I challenge you Izzy to do your part.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 08:58 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Real-estate mogul Donald Trump blasted the recent University of Missouri protests, which he called "disgraceful," during a Thursday-morning interview on Fox Business Network.
"I think it's disgusting. I think it's disgusting," the Republican presidential candidate began when asked about the university.

Weeks of protests over racial tensions have rocked the campus, leading University of Missouri president Tim Wolfe to announce his resignation on Monday. Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin also said he would step down at the end of the year.

But Trump argued that it was a "weak" move for the two leaders to step aside.

"I think the two people that resigned are weak, ineffective people," he said. "I think that when they resigned, they set something in motion that's going to be a disaster for the next long period of time. They were weak, ineffective people."

Trump added: "Trump should have been the chancellor of that university. Believe me, there would have been no resignations."

He also slammed the "crazy" demands of the leading student-protest group, Concerned Student 1950, which, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune, are a list of sweeping actions to address racial tensions at the school.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-blasts-disgraceful-mizzou-132754865.html

Trump +1

Quote:
we demand that the University of Missouri system president, Tim Wolfe, writes a handwritten apology for the Concerned Students 1–9 – 5–0 demonstrators and holds a press conference in the Mizzou Student Center reading the letter. In the letter and at the press conference, Tim Wolfe must acknowledge his white male privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exist, and provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Student 1–9 – 5–0 demands. We want Tim Wolfe to admit to his gross negligence, allowing his driver to hit one of the demonstrators, consenting to the physical violence of bystanders, and Leslie refusing to intervene when Columbia Police Department use excessive force with demonstrators.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 09:03 am
@hawkeye10,
If you really want A2K to get better, do some research instead of spouting racist nonsense and then accusing others of your own laziness.

Any candidate from a disadvantaged situation has to jump through hoops. It's not about getting the numbers up it's about a level playing field. Anyone from a top public school with tiny class numbers has a huge advantage over someone from a state school in a sink estate.

That's why universities carry out rigorous interviews. Taking someone from a disadvantaged background who can't keep up is a no brainer. Those who do manage to jump through all the hoops tend to do very well.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 09:10 am
@izzythepush,
http://www.cic.edu/Research-and-Data/Making-the-Case/Making%20the%20Case%20Materials/NAICU/Gradrate-by-Race.gif

They bring them in to get color on campus, they usually come with loans, and then most of those unqualified blacks dont get a degree, but get stuck with the loans. This liberal fantasy that blacks belong at university actually hurts the unqualified blacks that admit. When you say that universities are bending over to help blacks you have everything ass backwards yet again.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 09:33 am
@hawkeye10,
You're interpreting a graph, which is based solely on race, in a typically racist fashion. There's nothing about wealth, background or family. All of which can have a significant impact on educational outcome.

I note you've not included a link to where the graph came from, so it's probably safe to assume it's from one of the racist websites you frequent.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 10:15 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You're interpreting a graph, which is based solely on race, in a typically racist fashion. There's nothing about wealth, background or family. All of which can have a significant impact on educational outcome.


Jesus you are stupid. I reach conclusions based upon years of observations and learning, not by looking at one graph. I for instance know that once affirmative action for blacks end that fewer blacks get admitted. I know that the number of blacks to admit under affirmative action has been a hot button topic in university admissions offices for almost 30 years. I almost certainly read this back in 2010

Quote:
Higher education has been able to duck this issue for years, particularly the more selective schools, by saying the onus is on the individual student," says Pennington of the Gates Foundation. "If they fail, it's their fault." Some critics blame affirmative action—students admitted with lower test scores and grades from shaky high schools often struggle at elite schools. But a bigger problem may be that poor high schools often send their students to colleges for which they are, in educators' jargon, "undermatched": they could get into more elite, richer schools, but instead go to community colleges and low-rated state schools that lack the resources to help them. Some schools out for profit cynically jack up tuitions and count on student loans and federal aid to foot the bill—knowing full well that the students won't make it. "Colleges know that a lot of kids they take will end up in remedial classes, for which they'll get no college credit and then they'll flunk out," says Amy Wilkins of the Education Trust. "The school gets to keep the money, but the kid leaves with loads of debt and no degree and no ability to get a better job. Colleges are not holding up their end."

A college education is getting ever more expensive. Since 1982 tuitions have been rising at roughly twice the rate of inflation. University administrators insist that most of those hikes are matched by increased scholarship grants or loans, but the recession has slashed private endowments and cut into state spending on high-er education. In 2008 the net cost of attending a four-year public -university—after financial aid—equaled 28 percent of median family income, while a four-year private university cost 76 percent of median family income. More and more scholarships are based on merit, not need. Poorer students are not always the best-informed consumers. Often they wind up deeply in debt or simply unable to pay after a year or two and must drop out.


http://www.newsweek.com/why-minority-students-dont-graduate-college-75143

I dont know who you think around here is dumb enough to buy your constant assertions that I am a fox news addicted illiterate country bumpkin who chatters on about stuff I know nothing about. And as entertainment it long ago stopped working. How about getting a new gag?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 01:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
Years of prejudice reinforcing more like, you don't sound like you learned anything.
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hingehead
 
  4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 01:37 pm
@izzythepush,
And there's nothing about 'first in family'. Hawk's inability to put himself in anyone's shoes but his own is underlined by his 'years of observation' statement.

My work butts up against this space (in Australia we have the HEPPP that targets LSE, ESL, Indigenous, F in F (all of which can overlap) recruitment and retention.

'Oh look not everyone graduated, let's stop helping'

Hawk's blindspots are comical and predictable.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 03:31 pm
Read your post again, hawk. "Liberl fantasy that blacks belong at university" sure as hell comes off sounding racist. Ypu MAY not have meant"keep 'em ignorant and out in the fields chopping cotton" but it sounds rminiscent of it.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 04:07 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Hawk's blindspots are comical and predictable.

Because anyone who does not agree with you, does not reach your conclusions, must be blind. Right?

The fact that you choose to jump right to " all about hawkeye" land rather than talk about the topic indicates otherwise. Insulting the other speakers does not make your ideas better. Subjecting your ideas to confrontation in the arena of ideas makes them stronger. Well, either that or it kills them. Which seems to be your fear of the result, which is why you are in the ditch bitching about Hawkeye yet again.
hingehead
 
  4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2015 04:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
You are comical.

I have posted endlessly on this thread - even my slap of you was preceded by my direct professional experience of the exact matter you and izzy were talking about.

I don't think people who don't agree with my are blind - **** I don't even agree with me all the time, my opinions are always forming and are informed by cogent argument and evidence.

Sadly, on this matter (and many others) you don't have either.

As we say in military circles, you are too often a waftam. Not always, but too often.
 

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