BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 08:25 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
What do you know? It looks like they've got a few mayors and senators.


You was more then reporting the news you was giving some credit to the very idea that the US senators name might be members.

Something that anyone with a brain cell in working order knew at once was complete nonsense..
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BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 08:31 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The fascists in the UK today are the BNP, and they've lost of support to fascist light UKIP who are still not as extreme as your Republican Party.


Now you are claiming that the Republican party is an extreme organization that is fascist and have something in common with the KKK?

As a non-republican who disagree strongly with most of their positions they are still not fascists.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 08:35 am
@BillRM,
It is extreme, it's anti UHC, you can't get more extreme than that. UKIP realised attacking the NHS lost them votes. The extreme right wing Republican party is well to the right of far right wing party UKIP.

And you're a right wing extremist whatever you want to call yourself.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 08:36 am
@bobsal u1553115,
It's probably taking a rest.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 09:21 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
And you're a right wing extremist whatever you want to call yourself.


Let see this right wing extremist is a member of the democratic party and who voted two times for Obama for president.

I am for ending as must as possible the so call war on drugs and moving toward a public health approach to to the drug problem.

I am for the right of all women to decide if they wish to carry a fetus to term or not.

Oh I am for greatly reducing the prison population by reducing the length of sentences for non-violence crimes.

So Izzy what far right organization would I fit into in your opinion?
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 09:27 am
@BillRM,
Morons like you, TonyRM, think that conservative/liberal is the same as saying Republican/Democratic.

You're a conservative Democrat, a Blue Dog Democrat. You're a Harry Truman Democrat. And a racist, which Truman was, too.


Truman's Racist Talk Cited By Historian
AP

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19911103&slug=1314805

NEW YORK - Harry Truman, who made civil rights a federal priority for the first time since Reconstruction, expressed strong racist sentiments before, during and after his presidency, a historian says.

Although Truman toned down his racist expressions after entering the White House in 1945, he continued to use racial slurs in private conversation for the rest of his life, said William Leuchtenburg, president of the American Historical Association.

Leuchtenburg, a University of North Carolina professor, is writing a book on Truman.

In 1911, the year he turned 27, Truman wrote to his future wife, Bess: "I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman."

"(Uncle Will) does hate Chinese and Japs," Truman continued. "So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America."

More than 25 years later, Truman, then a U.S. senator from Missouri, wrote a letter to his daughter describing waiters at The White House as "an army of coons." In a letter to his wife in 1939 he referred to "nigger picnic day."

Leuchtenburg said recently that some scholars have known about Truman's racist utterances since his letters were opened. "But somehow," Leuchtenburg said, "this has not permeated the public consciousness."

Liz Safly, a librarian at the Truman Library in Independence, Mo., agreed that Truman's remarks were familiar to scholars. The "Uncle Will" quotation, she said, was contained in a volume of letters published in 1983.

Truman's attitudes toward race were shaped by his youth in Missouri. His grandparents had owned slaves; his mother was interned by Union troops during the Civil War and remained "violently unreconstructed" for the rest of her life. Young Harry developed "an abiding belief in white supremacy," Leuchtenburg said.

But, after succeeding Franklin D. Roosevelt, Truman rose above his prejudices. In 1946, when he was told of assaults on black World War II veterans in the South, he exclaimed, "My God! I had no idea it was as terrible as that. We've got to do something!"

The president appointed a committee to study civil-rights abuses and later supported the panel's call for anti-lynching and anti-poll-tax legislation. He also ordered the desegregation of the armed forces and became the first president to campaign in Harlem, in New York City. As a result, he was pilloried by his old Southern Democratic allies.

Copyright (c) 1991 Seattle Times Company, All Rights Reserved.

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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 09:40 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
scroll through your lengthy cut-and-pastes. In that case, nevermind.


I read and then thumb down monster cut-and-pastes (unless there are no links, then I thumb them down without reading them). Personal preference of course.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 09:41 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I love going back into history and condemning someone for not sharing the morals and the believes that we hold today.

Of course that is overlooking the fact that such believes are always changing and we have no reason to think that our future children will not do the same to us.

As far as Truman is concern he was a very decent guy who actions when in power aid the black community greatly.

I also love the fact that in order to attack Truman they dug up something from 1911 when he was still a young man and from a time period where the KKK was a power in the land.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 10:19 am
@BillRM,
Your right wing extremism is obvious in your racist posts. As for your voting record we've only got your word on that, and it's a highly dubious word at best. Your racist posts are all the evidence that's needed to make a decision.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Nov, 2015 10:53 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
in your racist posts.


Racist posts like pointing out that unlike all other groups in society the leading cause of deaths for black young men is homicides by other black young men?

The ranking of cause of deaths of young men by the CDC for all other groups is first accidents, then diseases and only then homicide.

That if BLM have any concerns at all for black lives that would be the center focus of their organization not running an anti-police program.

Racism is alive and well but more in the so call black leadership then in the white community and those like you who supported not addressing the main problems in the black community by trying to pin the name racists to all those who dare to suggest where the real problems are.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 8 Nov, 2015 03:42 pm
Quote:
On Friday night in Kansas City, a group of University of Missouri students approached the school’s president, Tim Wolfe, outside of a fundraiser at a performing arts center he had attended. They asked him to give his definition of systematic oppression.

“I will give you an answer, and I’m sure it will be a wrong answer,” Wolfe said. Then, “Systematic oppression is because you don’t believe that you have the equal opportunity for success.”

The students reacted in shock. “Did you just blame us for systematic oppression, Tim Wolfe?” one shouted. “Did you just blame black students?”

The encounter was filmed and posted on Twitter by a student, and was widely circulated. The students were members of Concerned Student 1950, which has been staging protests on the university’s campus in Columbia this week against what they say is the school administration’s poor handling of several racist incidents that occurred this fall. The group, named for the year the University of Missouri accepted its first black students, has called for Wolfe to resign.



In a statement released on Sunday afternoon, an apparently defiant Wolfe said he is committed to “listening to all sides,” and that he is “dedicated to ongoing dialogue to address these very complex, societal issues as they affect our campus community.” He mentioned ongoing work on a “systemwide diversity and inclusion strategy,” due to be completed in April. But he said nothing about stepping down or otherwise meeting students’ demands.

Students have held rallies on campus, boycotted buying school merchandise, and stopped attending football games. Jonathan Butler, a graduate student, is on the seventh day of a hunger strike in protest of the school administration. Butler is refusing food “until either Tim Wolfe is removed from office or my internal organs fail and my life is lost,” he wrote in a Facebook post on Monday.

The latest development in the protests came Saturday night, when 32 members of the Missouri Tigers, the school’s football team, announced that they would go on strike until Wolfe resigned.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/11/missouri-football-racism/414819/

This is what happens when administrators lose control of the university to agitators and disruptors. I have yet to come across any acts of racism at this school and yet the boss is supposed to resign? This is a cause for a hunger strike? **** that. Anyone who does not play should be thrown off the team for cause, and make sure to cancel any scholarships they might have. They should be bared from the teams athletics tutoring program as of now.

Likewise I noticed another dust up at Yale this time because power refused to condemn any halloween costume that anyone might take offense to, they instead made a plea for empathy and made a stand for free expression and the combat of ideas. No No No, we cant have that, legally enforced conformity to the ideology of victim culture is what these idiot youth demand.

It is long past time to confront victim culture and it really should start at the university. I dont expect it though, those places have long seemed rotten to the core.
BillRM
 
  -2  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 05:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
Being part of an official victim group give you one hell of a lot of power such as getting a college president to get down on his knees in front of you or loss his job if he does not do so.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 05:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Being part of an official victim group give you one hell of a lot of power such as getting a college president to get down on his knees in front of you or loss his job if he does not do so.


Being a college president has not been the job it used to be ever since the universities capitulated to the students during the student rebellions of the sixties. It is fast becoming a job like POTUS, where it is difficult to understand why a sane person would want the job.

Re Missouri: the football coach is supporting those players who are refusing to honor their contracts. I would now fire him too. I would forfeit the rest of the games of the season and I would put on the agenda a debate on closing the football program. It will not happen though, the inmates think they can run the asylum because largely they can.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 06:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I would now fire him too. I would forfeit the rest of the games of the season and I would put on the agenda a debate on closing the football program.



Can't do that as the college alumni desire and demand a football program and a winning one at that and will turn off many millions of dollars a year if they do not get that football program and that beside them being all kinds of state VIPs that can put all kinds of other pressure on a public university and it board.
engineer
 
  3  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 06:30 pm
Two essays explaining the Missouri situation.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 06:31 pm
@BillRM,
Which is why 30 football players think they can oust the University President.
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hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 06:38 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Two essays explaining the Missouri situation.


Attempting to explain, and failing. It does echo the Yale situation more than I knew though, the argument at both is that the bosses have to go if the students dont get the sanitized campus environment that some of the vocal victim culture advocates want. They demand, they must get, or heads will roll. According to them Universities are not a place for either free speech nor free thinking nor democracy. They are to be places of strict conformity to victim culture dogma, with draconian punishments for failing to comply.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 07:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
A lone student refusing to eat doesn’t justify the removal of the president of a four-campus university system. But hundreds of students are supporting his cause, united loosely under the banner of a group called Concerned Students 1950. (The date marks the first year black students were allowed to matriculate at the University of Missouri.)

Those numbers now include the Missouri football team. Black players on Saturday announced they would not participate in practices or games until Wolfe vacates his office. Their action vaulted the campus unrest into a story commanding nationwide attention.


In a stunning lack of confidence in Wolfe’s ability to run the university system, head football coach Gary Pinkel and his staff announced they would stand with the players. Clearly, the problems on campus run deep and include a lack of respect for leadership

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article43691127.html#storylink=cpy


So one hunger striker with hundreds of supporters and three dozen football players who refuse to honor their contracts must get what they want, and to hell with the other 35,000 students and what they want, say the editors of the Kansas City Star.

I dissent.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 07:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
There is an amazing idea that you have a right not to have your feelings hurt by others exercising free speech rights as anything that is non-pc is label hate speech that must be punished.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sun 8 Nov, 2015 07:19 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

There is an amazing idea that you have a right not to have your feelings hurt by others exercising free speech rights as anything that is non-pc is label hate speech that must be punished.

Atlantic (SEPT?) had a great piece on this. These kids who have been brought up on helicopter parenting are terrified of having their cocoon breached, because they largely do not posses the skills needed to deal with the invasion of reality. They fear that they will fall apart, and they are far too often correct on that. Our devotion to our fantasy lives is only getting worse with each generation , dooming what ever chance we had of righting the long failing institution of the American University.

It is difficult to be optimistic sometimes that we as a nation will ever get our **** together.
 

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