Black Lives Matter

@BillRM,

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Also, I gather BLM is not just two activists acting inappropriately and getting a lot of press.

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTuf8wAtgkA[/youtube]

You've latched onto that one instance of purported BLM people chanting that vile, incendiary, admittedly horrid chant. In a movement involving hundreds of thousands of people if not millions, a movement that has had to date dozens if not hundreds of marches and events, does it say ANYTHING to you that you have to keep using the same event to illustrate your 'point'?

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@snood,

Sorry for the double post.
<Agreeing with Snood>

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@snood,

And so it's a straw man to suggest you have a deep beef with white people?

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@snood,

It's not "purported". The group chanting about bacon and such self-identified as BLM. It's a very big stretch to suggest that are hundreds of thousands "if not millions" of people who identify themselves as members or even supporters of BLM.

It is gratifying to learn you find the rhetoric in question to be vile etc, but I don't understand why you feel compelled to excuse it's origins.

There are indeed, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who are concerned with the reality of what black Americans face.

I very much doubt that the same number of people feel insulted by the statement "All lives matter." or buy into the vile rhetoric.

There are a great many valid causes in the world in addition to the one that involves black Americans. This isn't to minimize the latter, but it is to suggest that every group that professes to further any of these causes isn't virtuous in their tactics because their cause is.

You won't lose any of your bonafides by calling out groups that are going about the cause the wrong and even vile way.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Not really concerned about losing any "bonafides", and not sure how that I'd manage to do that here. But I do call out people when they're wrong, and those people doing the pig chant were wrong. You know - that one time those people marching with BLM were doing a pig chant - the event that seems to be running on a loop labeled "greatest offenses committed by BLM movement", and being trotted out everytime there's ANOTHER incident involving a black person being treated unjustly by police.

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@snood,

Well, repeating the "pig chant" every time there is an incident involving a black person being treated unjustly by the police would be, without question, wrong, but I've not seen that happen.

I'm afraid, as well, that after Ferguson, I don't buy every allegation made that the police have unjustly treated a black person.

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@snood,

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and being trotted out everytime there's ANOTHER incident involving a black person being treated unjustly by police.

We are all getting mistreated by the state,

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Just 17 days into a 30-day jail sentence for an unpaid traffic ticket, David Stojcevski, 32, died naked and twitching on the floor of his cell in Macomb County, Michigan, outside of Detroit, reports Kevin Dietz for Detroit's Local 4.

Six days into that sentence, Stojcevski had been put into a mental-health cell, where he was under constant video surveillance and suicide watch.

The video shows, however, that, for the last two days of his life, Stojcevski didn't get off the ground.
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Stojcevski died as a result of "acute withdrawal from medication," according to his death certificate, as reported by Dietz. He was prescribed methadone, Xanax, Klonopin, and oxycodone for his mental health and his drug addictions.

Ten days into his sentence, Stojcevski was allegedly told that his "medication has not been ordered at this time," according to the suit, as reported by CBS Local Detroit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/detroit-man-dies-in-cell-of-withdrawal-2015-9

One reckless driving ticket turns into a $800 fine and then this.

Oh, but he was white, so nevermind.

This is not a good time to get diverted yet again into the hobby horse of supporting the black victim identity.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

You'd have seen it happen if you read posts from BillRM and a couple others. And I don't buy every report of police misconduct without looking at it.

Whatever.The fact remains, separate out the ones that aren't founded and it still leaves a great big festering wound of cases of police unjustly stopping, arresting, assaulting, and murdering black people. Disproportionately. Because they are black. And it's WRONG. And if someone isn't constantly pointing it out and lobbying for body cams and petitioning for transparency in police interrogations and protesting for independent judicial oversight of police misconduct instead of letting them 'police' themselves, and screaming that BLACK LIVES MATTER, then it will continue and increase unabated.

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@snood,

If you took the racist ass, riot inciting, police hating, violence calling, crock of crap organization out of that picture, I would actually agree with you. Cop cams are a great idea, BOTH sides of these cases would be held accountable. Independent judicial oversight isn't a bad idea either, or at least I don't see what it could hurt. Transparency in police interrogations is a really big no, because that would ruin the integrity of the interrogation. BLM actually wrecks some of these ideas by putting their name on it. I don't listen to much after I start hearing the race card pulled again, after riots, or after thug support, and definitely not after the call for violence against police. I am pretty sure I am not alone.

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@snood,

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You've latched onto that one instance of purported BLM people chanting that vile, incendiary, admittedly horrid chant. In a movement involving hundreds of thousands of people if not millions, a movement that has had to date dozens if not hundreds of marches and events, does it say ANYTHING to you that you have to keep using the same event to illustrate your 'point'?

Sorry but that is like saying that someone had latched onto one KKK rally and it is not a fair sample of the organization even assuming that those men under the hoods are in fact KKK members.

Nice try but BLM is just as racist as the KKK in their own way.

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@BillRM,

Yes, the chant thing was bullshit. Not that I liked BLM in the first place, but the chant really didn't help their cause. The even bigger problem is it was never corrected. There was NO apology for it. There wasn't even an attempt at an excuse. BLM didn't deny the message at all, or say the people chanting that didn't understand the message, or that wasn't BLM, nothing. All BLM said was that the angry chant was a small part of the protest, which was successful because no one flipped cars or threw bricks that time. It was a non violent protest. This tells me that BLM backs and supports this message, and that they have very little standards for successful protesting. However, we can move past the chant, it is an overplayed point. I will speak of it no more. You don't need it anyway to show why this group is a giant pile of violent racist bullshit.

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There was one event where some BLM protesters were chanting the vile chant. That event keeps getting pointed to by those who are anti-BLM. Does this mean that other than the one event, you think BLM is a necessary movement, with laudable goals?

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@snood,

Necessary, no. We would be much better without it and more people are getting hurt than helped. The riots the "movement" inspires hurts people, the murders the "movement" inspires hurts people, the role models being set by this organization are not good for next generation blacks. The very goals they try for are being hurt by themselves because they have to color otherwise "laudable" goals.

Laudable goals, sorta kinda, I don't disagree with cams or outside judicial supervision. I don't think they are going to be game changers, but at least everyone can get a clear view of what is going on. All roads to hell are paved with good intentions though. The group IS acting the same way as any racist organization does, and doing the same things for the same reasons, with what will inevitably be the same result. You don't need better goals, you need a better organization.

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@tony5732,

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The role models being set by this organization are not good for next generation blacks.

well now, that has been true for three decades. It is part of the reason the Blacks are locked into the victim identity and then their production and quality of life both suck. Being a victim is in their case a large part a result of their choices. Who was it maybe Dear Abby who famously said (paraphrase) " you are not a victim unless you let yourself be victim, if you dont want to be a victim then dont let yourself be victimized, if you let yourself be victimized then dont whine to me about how you are a victim".

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@snood,

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There was one event where some BLM protesters were chanting the vile chant. That event keeps getting pointed to by those who are anti-BLM. Does this mean that other than the one event, you think BLM is a necessary movement, with laudable goals?

Goals such as putting into place the assumption that every time a police officer, at least if he happen to be white, come into conflict with a black citizen the police officer is in the wrong and is assume to be acting due to him or her being a racist?

That there is no reason or need for example to wait until the facts are known before condemning officer Wilson after his killing of Mr. Brown.

An after the facts become known, the false story of Mr. Brown being killed in cold blood with his hands up was still supported by members of BLM movement.

No as racism is racism no matter what the color of the bigot skins happen to be.

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@tony5732,

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The riots the "movement" inspires hurts people, the murders the "movement" inspires hurts people, the role models being set by this organization are not good for next generation blacks. The very goals they try for are being hurt by themselves because they have to color otherwise "laudable" goals.

Teaching young black males that the police should be view as racists just looking for a reason to gun them down is going to bring a higher percent of them into unneeded conflicts with the police.

Resulting in arrests and more important physical conflicts with that police that risk more not less young black men dying at the hands of the police.

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Black lives matter, and I won't commit the apparent sin of adding that all lives matter.

So now what?

The young man who confronted Hillary Clinton on this issue was essentially incoherent as respects a "plan"

It's much like OccupyWallStreet - sound and fury signifying nothing.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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It's much like OccupyWallStreet - sound and fury signifying nothing.

They remind me of the people that I have seen who go into the Army because they like to blow **** up and fire their weapon at people. They understand nothing, and while they wrap themselves up in righteousness and country talking to them for 10 minutes proves that they have not the slightest understanding of either.

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@hawkeye10,

Perhaps, but like OWT, BLM is filled with young students intoxicated with their sense of righteousness and crippled by their lack of wisdom.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I bet if you read the book I'm reading now, your views about blacks will change.

BTW goddammit, for the sixth time (although I guess for you the first), the goddamn Occupy Wall Street movement is quite a power with the Bernie movement. They aren't gone, they are in the midst of a globally-renown movement that may win the presidency. Sound and fury changing the world.

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