Black Lives Matter

@engineer,

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Baldimo wrote:
Blacks and whites might do drugs at the same rates, but where are they getting their drugs at?

To me this encapsulates the need for the BLM movement. There is always some excuse, so pseudo logical reason to explain why the routine inequities that blacks experience are ok. The sad part is for the most part, the press and the public go along.

In these days of video cameras, we are seeing over and over that the police take on events are often overstated or completely fabricated, but you know they should really buy their drugs somewhere else.

If an African American is in a high crime area and is visibly engaged in criminal activity, that is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why they are more likely to be prosecuted than someone who is not.

It should also be noted that many of these tough on crime laws that are now being decried as racist for their disparate impact on African Americans, were originally put in place because African Americans demanded them, saying it was racist for society to just ignore high crime areas instead of cracking down on them.

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@TheCobbler,

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Egypt was the greatest ancient civilization ever, ruled and built by "Black people"...

I thought Egyptians were Arabs.

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@oralloy,

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It should also be noted that many of these tough on crime laws that are now being decried as racist for their disparate impact on African Americans, were originally put in place because African Americans demanded them, saying it was racist for society to just ignore high crime areas instead of cracking down on them.

An argument supported by the fact that at the same time black education reformers were busy turning inner city black schools into strictly regimented prisons.

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@engineer,

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You are the last person I would have pegged for saying that if you don't blindly obey a police officer, you should expect them to kill you.

Simply refusing to follow instructions is more likely to get you arrested than shot, but violence against a police officer may well result in the police officer shooting (and justifiably so).

engineer wrote:

Police officers have a legally defined set of responsibilities. They are not owed obedience, they are public servants, not public masters.

When a police officer gives instructions, you should follow those instructions. If the police officer is wrong, you should sue the city after the fact.

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@hingehead,

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What I'm railing against is the denialism. That BLM is somehow reverse racism.

Of course it is reverse racism as the very case that gave the movement birth had proven without question.

A full investigation and the evidences prove that Officer Wilson was acting in self defense from an attacking hoodlum that happen to be black and there was no hands in the air and requires from Mr. Brown not to be shot.

But only because officer Wilson happen to have a white skin and his attacker a black skin the racists fools of the BLM neither waited for the results of the investigation or acknowledge that they was wrong afterward.

To sum up base on skin colors of the two parties alone the racists fool judge two humans being and being willing and even eager to do so label themself and their movement as racist as must as the KKK.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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very tough back in the day of the railroad, but they didn't have it very tough for the next one hundred years; blacks did.

Let me see from around the late 1860s to around the 1960s would be roughly a hundreds years.

I will need to find out when such things as the bans on Asians owning properties ended but I would be surprise if it happen must sooner then the late 1950s. Sorry those laws did run into the 1960s.

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https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/alien_land_laws.htm

The Washington Movement to Repeal the Alien Land Laws

On Tuesday, August 30, 1960, United States Senator Warren G. Magnuson (who had supported internment during WWII) stood before Congress and delivered a speech designed to garner support for the repeal of the alien land laws of Washington state. “I am convinced,” Magnuson stated,

“that these antialien land laws helped substantially to create the prejudices which were fanned by hysteria in 1942 into and incident that has been described as ‘our worst wartime mistake.’ I have referenced to the mass military evacuation of 110,000 persons of Japanese ancestry, regardless of citizenship, age, or sex from their homes into interior interment camps.”[48]

Then there is the fact that only a few years ago did the US government paid a token amount to the remaining Japanese survivors of the camps of the 1940s.

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@hingehead,

No, BLM is not reverse racism. It's just racism plain and simple. When the KKK says black people cause our problems it's racist. When Hitler blamed the Jews for all German problems that was also racist. When BLM blames white people for all their problems its racist. When catering to only one race and targeting only one race that is called racist. Targeting cops is called stereotyping. There is less than a percent of cops involved in these "questionable cases" and BLM paints a picture of a racist police force. It than becomes racist because only white cops are mentioned in these cases of "police brutality" and only black victims are mentioned. The logic is the same stereotypical bullshit that any other stereotypical idea stems off from. "A bulldog barked at me, pit bulls are mean", "a girl throws a shoe, girls are crazy", "A landscaper is from Mexico, all Mexicans mow lawns", "A Muslim ran a plane into the twin towers, Muslims are terrorists", "A trucker says a bad word, truckers swear a lot", "A cop is racist, cops are racists". Then BLM takes it a step further, "white cops are racist".

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@tony5732,

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When BLM blames white people for all their problems its racist

You'd like to think so, but all BLM is saying is that we die way more than other colour at the hands of police. Not all the other problems.

But conflate a bunch of other ideas if it makes it easier for you to avoid accepting there's an issue. Because, like accepting there's an issue will somehow ruin your life.

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@oralloy,

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It should also be noted that many of these tough on crime laws that are now being decried as racist for their disparate impact on African Americans, were originally put in place because African Americans demanded them, saying it was racist for society to just ignore high crime areas instead of cracking down on them.

This is exactly why I say LEO are in a catch 22. They do to much, they are racists for arresting black people. If they do to little then they are racists because they don't care enough about the community to keep them safe.

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@hingehead,

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but all BLM is saying is that we die way more than other colour at the hands of police.

No kidding when young black men are killing other young black men in far more numbers then any other group does in society, it is hardly surprising that young black men are also coming into conflicts with police more and as a result are ending up dead from police actions more.

That hardly mean that the police are racists or not acting correctly and once more if BLM care about young black men they would be working on the unbelievable black on black homicide rate.

Reducing that rate would likely bring the deaths by cops more into line with the rest of society and save one hell of a lot of young black men from not only police actions but from black on black killings.

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@hingehead,

No, my life is fine either way. If that was all BLM was saying, I would be fine with it too, but it's not. "pigs in a blanket, fryem like bacon" is not a chant from a respectable organization in my book, it's asking for violence against police. I don't know how else you would interpret that. Everywhere BLM "protests", riots seem to spring up, innocent people get robbed, property damaged, and once in a while police get shot at. That is also something that doesn't sit right with me. The issue is thug, or people who have no regard for human life in general. Whether it be a cop that is a racist asshole who is trigger happy, or a guy robbing cigars from a convenience store while pushing around a clerk, white on white crime or black on black, or Chinese on Native American, we are all in this together. No one is immune from being shot at, robbed, beat, or done injustice to. My problem with BLM is they want to make it a color thing, and an occupation thing. This issue is not about color or occupation or our justice system. It's about humans having some level of regard for other human life. If everyone could figure that out we would all be ok.

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@tony5732,

So you are fine either way but you deny there is an issue? You're sure black lives are treated equally by the police? And that even if they're not the cause is the african americans themselves.

That you paint every BLM supporter as a cop killer is lazy thinking. That you cant understand why people of repute are motivated to get behind a BLM banner speaks volumes.

They don't want to 'make it a color thing' IT IS A COLOR THING.

Sure, a universal regard for human life would be a fine thing. But right now one particular section of your community is suffering from 'less regard' than any other part of it. And you're railing against them pointing it out, occasionally with angry chants? And that's why I made the observation that it seems like people like you won't admit there is a real problem because you think you will lose *something* if you do. I have no idea what that something is.

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@hingehead,

No. When a cop dies and BLM screams "Fryem like bacon" that's not just an "occasional angry chant" any more than KKK screaming to lynch black people is an "occasional angry chant". Nazis didn't get a free "occasional angry chant pass in my book either. NO ITS NOT A COLOR THING. It's part of a big picture made into the color thing, because BLM is only worried about ONE color. Which one?

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@hingehead,

If painting every BLM member who calls for the murder of cops a "cop-killer" is lazy thinking, what is painting every cop as a racist?

There is no rationalizing calls for the death of cops.

And it's not at all just blowing off steam and political hyperbole since we've seen several cops executed since it started.

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@hingehead,

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They don't want to 'make it a color thing' IT IS A COLOR THING.

BULLSHIT as Officer Wilson and other cops do not likely care about the skin color of the hoodlums that was attacking them.

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But right now one particular section of your community is suffering from 'less regard' than any other part of it.

An given the black on black homicide rate and the drive by shootings and so on it, to a very large part,the not caring is by that section own community as otherwise the hundreds of killings of blacks by blacks in most major cities every year would be getting the outcry not the rare used of deadly force by cops.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

So you are fine either way but you deny there is an issue? You're sure black lives are treated equally by the police? And that even if they're not the cause is the african americans themselves.

That you paint every BLM supporter as a cop killer is lazy thinking. That you cant understand why people of repute are motivated to get behind a BLM banner speaks volumes.

They don't want to 'make it a color thing' IT IS A COLOR THING.

Sure, a universal regard for human life would be a fine thing. But right now one particular section of your community is suffering from 'less regard' than any other part of it. And you're railing against them pointing it out, occasionally with angry chants? And that's why I made the observation that it seems like people like you won't admit there is a real problem because you think you will lose *something* if you do. I have no idea what that something is.

It's their preeminence, or perceived preeminence. It's the same reason they keep squealing about getting "their country back", the same reason they have to keep the lies about Obama's origins and religion alive. It's the societal move away from the unspoken caste system that has always had white christian heterosexual men on top and everyone else below them, and toward a broader human identity. That's what they are so afraid of losing. And they have either a really bad blind spot or a serious enough case of denial that keeps them from seeing this, or admitting it.

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@snood,

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. It's the societal move away from the unspoken caste system that has always had white christian heterosexual men on top and everyone else below them, and toward a broader human identity. That's what they are so afraid of losing.

So white christian heterosexual men are forcing black inner city young men to killed each others in incredible large numbers and force the so call leadership of the black community not to address the issue as a number one priority?

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Perhaps I haven't read up enough, but I don't see that BLM has anything to do with one particular killing of a white cop except that a cop surmised it did. Also, I gather BLM is not just two activists acting inappropriately and getting a lot of press.

I think some cops killing blacks in questionable circumstances seemingly over and over again has likely more to do with the reaction by some blacks then killing cops. The numbers are lopsided anyway. It's all an ugly business that does need attention.

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Perhaps I haven't read up enough, but I don't see that BLM has anything to do with one particular killing of a white cop except that a cop surmised it did. Also, I gather BLM is not just two activists acting inappropriately and getting a lot of press.

I think some cops killing blacks in questionable circumstances seemingly over and over again has likely more to do with the reaction by some blacks then killing cops. The numbers are lopsided anyway. It's all an ugly business that does need attention, big time.

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@ossobuco,

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Also, I gather BLM is not just two activists acting inappropriately and getting a lot of press.

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