Lash
 
  1  
Fri 18 Sep, 2015 05:50 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Hey.

I suspected when I typed this it would be interpreted like I was claiming some special knowledge.
Quote:
it simply isn't true that every African-American who has participated in violent and destructive actions as a result of actual or perceived abuse of an African-American is anywhere near as emotionally tied to the victim as the father is to his daughter in your hypothetical. Or for that matter, has personally experienced a similar level of abuse.

You made a claim. I'm saying you aren't qualified to make that claim.

I'd also not be qualified to make such a claim, but of course I don't have any better understanding of what it's like to be black.

The fifth point you made seems like you're trying to make something out of what I didn't say. I DO admire Charlestonians for restraint and civility. I'm pissed that it's expected when what they are continually responding to has been going on for hundreds of years.

Eight. I have and will - as long as it remains peaceful.

I agree that they should be smart about voting. As should we all.
Foofie
 
  0  
Fri 18 Sep, 2015 08:03 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

There was at least one major black leader that did, Martin.

As I said, I understand the anger, the genesis of it. I could go on about that.
I said I didn't like rioting as a tactic, but I don't think that - on the most part - it is a tactic, so I misspoke. I take it as natural angry reaction that finally explodes. In some cases, there is opportunism re looting, but that's not the top reason for something like '92 in LA. Police again, already back then, with Rodney King's arresting arrest, in, if I remember, later '91. I think there were calming people in the community in LA after the conflagration started, and maybe before, but I don't remember who and when; my ex might, and might remember names.

If I remember at the time, I'll ask him next time we talk.


Freud might have said that rioting is a catharsis of one's anger. However, present academic research shows that an angry reaction begets more anger, and possibly escalating to violent anger. No catharsis. Look at the violence after some sporting events. Then look at events where the audience must sit quietly. No after game violence (tennis, golf).

Anyway, anger just reflects a self-defeating coping mechanism, in a society where private property will be protected at some point. At best, one could argue that rioting is just upping the ante for being the non-competitor in society's competitive paradigm.
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hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 02:32 am
What happened to BLM?

DId they go the way of the Occupy people?
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 04:57 am
@hawkeye10,
They are less on the streets and now having meetings with candidates to get in on policy-writing. I approve the transition!

Btw, occupy is a part of the Sanders revolution.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 05:45 am
@Lash,
Quote:
They are less on the streets and now having meetings with candidates to get in on policy-writing. I approve the transition!


Yes indeed cutting secret deals for the flowed of future federal and states dollars to them.

Of course with the threat of future riots and unrest if the amount of new programs funding is not enough.

Al Sharpton is a master of such dealings even having the DOJ help paying for his one rally where he had the crowd chatting one more no justice an peace.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 06:23 am
@BillRM,
That seems paranoid, Bill. I think this fear is what drives most racism. They are trying to destroy the prison for profit system the Clintons have made so much money creating and perpetuating - enact better cop training, and create a community policing program that helps the community know and support law enforcement. These and a few other changes can change race relations in the US.
Foofie
 
  0  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 07:54 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

...I approve the transition!...



In context of what position of authority? Have you been reading "assertive behavior" self-help books?
Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 07:56 am
@Foofie,
From yelling in the streets and taking people's microphones.
Foofie
 
  2  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 07:58 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

From yelling in the streets and taking people's microphones.


Ah yes. Sweat equity; know it well. However, it doesn't equate to real equity in a capitalistic society.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 08:02 am
@Foofie,
Well, as you know, the US still self-identifies - mistakenly - as a capitalistic society... But this campaign season, the country will get a lesson in terminology.
TheCobbler
 
  1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 10:48 am
@snood,
I just dropped a friend who is a transsexual. He thinks now that he has had the operation "she" can hate on minorities... Talk about token "leaders". YUCK!

She flaunts the confederate flag, boot licking straight racists for approval...
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 10:56 am
@Lash,
Sure they are as they had shown that they had real caring about such matters as the bodies of black young men piling up in such cities as Chicago by the many hundreds every year and black children for that matter being killed in gang cross fire and whole families needing to sleep on the floor .

None of that matter nor does black lives matter unless it involved the rare shootings of some black hoodlum attacking a police officer
TheCobbler
 
  1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 10:58 am
@BillRM,
The very seed of this disparity is racism and you are not helping one bit.
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snood
 
  6  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 11:04 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sure they are as they had shown that they had real caring about such matters as the bodies of black young men piling up in such cities as Chicago by the many hundreds every year and black children for that matter being killed in gang cross fire and whole families needing to sleep on the floor .

None of that matter nor does black lives matter unless it involved the rare shootings of some black hoodlum attacking a police officer


I gotta ask you... In ALL of these conflicts between white police and black men, is that ALL that you see happening - black "hoodlums" attacking police officers? You NEVER see a case where the police are in the wrong?
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 11:17 am
@snood,
Quote:
You NEVER see a case where the police are in the wrong?


There are a million men and women who had taken the job of being society protectors and not all of them are fit to wear a badge however when you have a person with his leg almost cut off bleeding to death and someone who is claiming to care about that person is overlooking that wound to deal with a damn paper cut on his hand there is something damn wrong!!!

Black lives only matter in relationship to the police and who give a **** about the hell blacks are going through due to black gangs in most poor black areas in this nation.

As long as this so call movement is focus only on or almost only on the interaction of blacks with the police their very name is a joke as to them attacking the police is what matter not black lives.
snood
 
  2  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 11:32 am
@BillRM,
Er,.... I'll take that as a 'no'.
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 11:39 am
@Foofie,
I see you relied on the late edit to save yourself from embarrassment. LOL. Your edit is nonsensical, so congrats for consistency.
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 11:43 am
@BillRM,
The higher percentage of black Americans killed by cops or dying questionably in custody is only one aspect of the BLM focus.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 01:43 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Er,.... I'll take that as a 'no'.
There are a million men and women who had taken the job of being society protectors and not all of them are fit to wear a badge
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BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 19 Sep, 2015 02:09 pm
@Lash,
Quote:

http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20130826/guards-escort-chicago-kids-across-gang-territories-to-new-schools

The higher percentage of black Americans killed by cops or dying questionably in custody is only one aspect of the BLM focus.


Like hell it is not focus on a tiny tiny percent of all deaths of young black men while completely overlooking the overwhelming cause for young black deaths in the US.

If you take out all the police killings of young black men both completely justify and questionable it would not change in any manner that the leading cause of deaths of young black men happen to be homicides and not accidents as it is for all other track groups in the US.

So once more as far as the BLM people are concern they are an anti-police group that care not a damn about not only the welfare of black young men but the welfare of black children and black women.

Children that can not walk safely from homes to their schools when their homes and their schools happen to be located in two difference gang territories.

Quote:
The Safe Passage program guards in neon vests lined city streets in neighborhoods with closed schools, the most visible sign of what’s at stake for the nation’s third-largest school district, which is struggling academically and financially.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who called Monday “a new beginning” for the district, planned to join students walking to O’Toole Elementary in the West Englewood neighborhood on the city’s South Side.

The Chicago Board of Education — hand-picked by Emanuel — voted in May to close about 50 elementary schools and programs, a move Emanuel and schools CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett said would allow the district to improve academics and help pay down a $1 billion budget deficit.

Critics of the school closings said minority students were disproportionately affected and that many students would now have to cross dangerous gang boundaries. Some families sued, but a federal judge refused to halt the plan.

On Monday, concerned parents took time off of work or recruited family members to make sure students arrived at their new schools.

Annie Stovall walked her granddaughter, 9-year-old Kayla Porter, to Gresham Elementary School in the Gresham neighborhood, about 4 miles south of O’Toole Elementary.

Stovall said she’s skeptical Chicago’s first-day show of force will last.
 

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